Thanks, Anil ji, There has always been misidentifications and confusions when it comes to introduced species. Images of buds and flowers above does not prove anything.
I think best to go with the following, where fruit is also depicted: http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3554&flora_id=2 https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/paulownia-fortunei/ Than there are cultivars as in https://paulowniatrees.eu/learn-more/paulownia-species/ On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 14:40, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < [email protected]> wrote: > Garg Ji, this plant has been introduced in H.P. by the forest > department from FRI, Dehradun. My identification was based on > "BOTANICA: The Illustrated A-Z of over 10,000 garden plants and how to > cultivate them" by Turner and Wassan. Attaching clicks of the book for > your reference. Details of my observations on my plant will be given > in next mail. Researching on that after clicking some more > photographs. > Regards > > > > > > > On 5/19/20, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Flora of China says Mountain slopes, forests, mountain valleys, > wastelands, > > below 2000 m for *Paulownia fortunei* (Seemann) Hemsley in F. B. Forbes & > > Hemsley > > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020797> > and > > Usually cultivated, below 1800 m for *Paulownia tomentosa > > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210001437>* > > > > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 12:09, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Garg Ji, all of my photographs at efloraofindia are from the same > >> location and trees. I have another set of photographs from Solan, > >> which I perceive to be P. fortunei. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> On 5/19/20, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Were the flowering images from the same tree ? > >> > > >> > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 10:46, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Also send original image of fruit. > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 10:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Pl. check if the pericarp was woody. > >> >>> But proportional shape is clearly of *Paulownia fortunei * > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 10:28, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < > >> >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Garg ji, fruit size is also important. In this case, fruits are > only > >> >>>> 3-4 > >> >>>> cm long (not more than 6cm as in case of O. fortunii). I have seen > >> >>>> other > >> >>>> plants as well but not the fruits in that case. > >> >>>> Actually, both species were introduced in India by the Forest > >> >>>> Research > >> >>>> Institute Dehradun. I may be having flowering twigs of other > species > >> as > >> >>>> well and will report back to you. > >> >>>> Regards > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, 19 May, 2020, 10:05 AM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> On thoroughly checking on net and all our posts, I think > *Paulownia > >> >>>>> tomentosa *and *Paulownia fortunei *quite confusing. I could not > >> >>>>> find > >> >>>>> the difference between the two on net anywhere except in Flora of > >> >>>>> China. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Keys in Flora of China > >> >>>>> < > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=124177> > >> >>>>> are as below: > >> >>>>> 4 (1) > >> >>>>> < > >> > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=124177#KEY-1-1> > >> >>>>> *Capsule > >> >>>>> oblong to oblong-ellipsoid, 6-10 cm*; pericarp woody, 3-6 mm; > >> >>>>> inflorescences subcylindric; corolla ventral plaits inconspicuous; > >> >>>>> calyx > >> >>>>> 2-2.5 cm 4 Paulownia fortunei > >> >>>>> < > >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020797> > >> >>>>> + *Capsule ovoid, ovoid-ellipsoid, or ellipsoid, 3-5.5 cm*; > >> >>>>> pericarp > >> >>>>> not woody, to 3 mm; inflorescences pyramidal or narrowly conical; > >> >>>>> corolla > >> >>>>> ventral plaits conspicuous; calyx to 2 cm. (5) > >> >>>>> < > >> > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=124177#KEY-1-5> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> 5 (4) > >> >>>>> < > >> > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=124177#KEY-1-4> > >> >>>>> Capsule > >> >>>>> viscid-glandular hairy; calyx lobes as long as or longer than > tube, > >> >>>>> not > >> >>>>> glabrescent 1 Paulownia tomentosa > >> >>>>> < > >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020800> > >> >>>>> + Capsule pubescent when young; calyx lobes shorter than tube, > >> >>>>> partly > >> >>>>> glabrescent. (6) > >> >>>>> < > >> > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=124177#KEY-1-6> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Pl see the illustration of both as below: > >> >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3556&flora_id=2 > >> >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3554&flora_id=2 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> *From flowers it is very difficult to arriva eat the species. Also > >> >>>>> aspect of calyx is also confusing. I think most important > character > >> to > >> >>>>> separate the two is the fruit*. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> *From fruit shape, I think it should be **Paulownia fortunei *as > in > >> >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3554&flora_id=2 > >> >>>>> https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/paulownia-fortunei/ > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Fruit shape of *Paulownia tomentosa *is different as per > >> >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3556&flora_id=2 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFinderDetails.aspx?kempercode=a888 > >> >>>>> > https://landscapeplants.oregonstate.edu/plants/paulownia-tomentosa > >> >>>>> https://www.invasiveplantatlas.org/subject.html?sub=2426 > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >> >>>>> From: Anil Thakur <[email protected]> > >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 21:01 > >> >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:306297] Re: Paulownia tomentosa > >> >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Posting some more photographs of this highly beautiful ornamental > >> >>>>> tree. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Regards > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Monday, 15 December 2014 22:29:04 UTC+5:30, Anil Thakur wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Respected Members, > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> It is a beautiful deciduous tree which flowers in March/April. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Botanical name: Paulownia tomentosa > >> >>>>>> Common names: Empress tree, Princess tree, Foxglove tree > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Regards, > >> >>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur > >> >>>>>> Associate Professor (Botany) > >> >>>>>> Govt. 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You can also use them for > free > >> as > >> >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > >> >> > >> >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds > of > >> >> India'. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > With regards, > >> > J.M.Garg > >> > > >> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > >> > > >> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > >> > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia > >. > >> > > >> > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian > >> > Flora, > >> > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > >> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in > the > >> > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > >> > Efloraofindia > >> > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species > >> > database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > >> > than > >> > 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > >> > > >> > The whole world uses my Image Resource > >> > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > >> > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants > >> etc. > >> > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free > >> > as > >> > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > >> > > >> > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > >> > India'. > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> With best Regards, > >> > >> Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur > >> > > > > > > -- > > With regards, > > J.M.Garg > > > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > > Efloraofindia > > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > > database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than > > 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > > > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants > etc. > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > > India'. > > > > > -- > With best Regards, > > Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur > -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). The whole world uses my Image Resource <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFBVg9FuJ12Kcvy%2BOr9CwpDz5-c_wh40MVet2CQpCnRo6A%40mail.gmail.com.
