---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Dr E S Santhosh Kumar <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 17:18 Subject: Re: [itpmods:14146] Which database to follow? To: <[email protected]>
I think the Kew Database is more reliable On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 5:09 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Gurucharan Sir, > > I find a lot of discrepancies as well. Sme names in POWO is > completely different which is > not mentioned in any other sites and accepted names/ synonyms v.v.. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:27 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, Singh ji, >> We have to follow which we feel is more logical. >> >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 16:05, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Just an example I was looking up latest taxonomic status of *Polyalthia >>> cerasoides* (Roxb.) Benth. & Hook.f. ex Bedd. listed in BSA Flora of >>> India. Catalogue of Life showed it as synonym of *Hubera cerasoides *(Roxb.) >>> Chaowasku, whereas Kew Database showed both as synonyms of Huberantha >>> cerasoides (Roxb.) Chaowasku. On further looking up I found former >>> published in 2012 and latter in 2015 by the same author, obviously it is >>> logical to follow latter. Plus as I wrote Catalogue of Life simply does not >>> list many names. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Mob: 9810359089 >>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:54 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think WCSP >>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=C401F4DE7044C35CF77D2DBD86891292.kppapp06-wcsp?checklist=selected_families%40%40003030120200907348> >>>> is >>>> one of the most reliable, but limited only to a limited number of families >>>> (The checklist includes 200 Seed Plant families (View list of included >>>> families <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/incfamilies.do>))- It was >>>> earlier relied upon by The Plant List for these families (but was based on >>>> fixed data submitted to them in 2012) and now by The Catalogue of Life as >>>> well as POWO depend on this for most of these families. >>>> Then there are others like Catalogue of Life and POWO. GBIF relies on >>>> Catalogue of Life, but names of synonymous species (which were at some >>>> point were accepted) are also shown on the thumbnails in the gallery (in >>>> case there is some different treatment by somebody else). But Catalogue of >>>> life does not indicate bibliography as is being done in GRIN earlier and >>>> now in POWO (so we do not know upto what date publications have been >>>> considered). But if it gives detailed distribution, it may be considered >>>> that a wide range of sources have been considered. >>>> Then there are eFloras (like those of China, Pakistan and Nepal), which >>>> were published online in the early 2000. >>>> Then one may not find one species in some of the databases due to some >>>> slight difference in spelling in the middle or at the end of the name. >>>> Earlier it was GRIN, which has almost gone now. Then came ITIS and The >>>> Plant List, a good attempt to start with. These are almost replaced by >>>> WCSP, Catalogue of Life, Plants of the World Online etc. >>>> It is good to see competition. And it is always better to consult a few >>>> of them rather than depending on one. *And finally choose one that you >>>> feel is better for a particular species, genus or family depending upon >>>> from where the underlying data is coming from*. >>>> Recently there has been widespread changes in many genera, but we have >>>> to consciously see and decide if we have to follow them for the sake of >>>> familiarity or not. >>>> The opinion of the Experts on our group in the past or future, may also >>>> be considered. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> While following different databases for last few years, I have seen >>>>> totally different taxonomic treatments in these: Kew Database (Plants of >>>>> The World Online), World Flora Online (replacement for TPL) and Catalogue >>>>> of Life (April 2020 Beta version). >>>>> I have mostly been following the Catalogue of Life, but while >>>>> preparing the list of species reported from India, I noticed that several >>>>> species are not even listed in this database. I could find all these in >>>>> Kew >>>>> Database. This raises a big question, which database we should follow for >>>>> the sake of unanimity. As different volunteers are working for updation of >>>>> our website, we need to develop consensus. As per my recent experience I >>>>> would vote for Kew Database. Your opinions please to reach an agreed >>>>> solution. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ITPmods" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFC-ibCwrU789S%3DdcUBpNWqPT4HW19AUYjtvS40HfThZfg%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFC-ibCwrU789S%3DdcUBpNWqPT4HW19AUYjtvS40HfThZfg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ITPmods" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEf%3DytRB3ExDTEopU8aCwA7SEjq4R5pHAp4BjKVXbo70bXKDig%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAEf%3DytRB3ExDTEopU8aCwA7SEjq4R5pHAp4BjKVXbo70bXKDig%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ITPmods" group. 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