-- With regards, J. M. Garg ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Vijayasankar <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 5 Jul, 2020, 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [itpmods:14148] Which database to follow? To: itpmods <[email protected]>
I usually consult various databases to get a more complete picture, but more frequently POWO. When there is discrepancy in the names among TPL, CoL, GBIF, POWO, I have found POWO as more reliable and inclusive. Tropicos ( https://www.tropicos.org/home ) is also great; it provides reference details of who accepted a name or treated as synonym, and also tags names whether it's a nom. cons., legitimate, invalid, nom. rej., or illegitimate. For medicinal plants species, I would refer to MPNS ( https://mpns.science.kew.org/mpns-portal/) which is the most recent and being actively updated for medicinal plants. This database gives both common/vernacular and botanical names, often sourced from WCSP & POWO, with references. Vijayasankar ---------------------------------------- Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. Sr. Research Scientist National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi, USA On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Santhosh ji. > It is a question who has updated with the latest publications as well as > who has dipped into other databases like BSI Flora of India, India's > regional Floras and eFloras etc. > Sometimes it is POWO and sometimes it is Catalogue of Life. > We have to consult both and then decide which to follow. > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 17:18, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I think the Kew Database is more reliable >> >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 5:09 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes Gurucharan Sir, >>> >>> I find a lot of discrepancies as well. Sme names in POWO is >>> completely different which is >>> not mentioned in any other sites and accepted names/ synonyms v.v.. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:27 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Singh ji, >>>> We have to follow which we feel is more logical. >>>> >>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 16:05, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just an example I was looking up latest taxonomic status of *Polyalthia >>>>> cerasoides* (Roxb.) Benth. & Hook.f. ex Bedd. listed in BSA Flora of >>>>> India. Catalogue of Life showed it as synonym of *Hubera cerasoides >>>>> *(Roxb.) >>>>> Chaowasku, whereas Kew Database showed both as synonyms of Huberantha >>>>> cerasoides (Roxb.) Chaowasku. On further looking up I found former >>>>> published in 2012 and latter in 2015 by the same author, obviously it is >>>>> logical to follow latter. Plus as I wrote Catalogue of Life simply does >>>>> not >>>>> list many names. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:54 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think WCSP >>>>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=C401F4DE7044C35CF77D2DBD86891292.kppapp06-wcsp?checklist=selected_families%40%40003030120200907348> >>>>>> is >>>>>> one of the most reliable, but limited only to a limited number of >>>>>> families >>>>>> (The checklist includes 200 Seed Plant families (View list of >>>>>> included families <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/incfamilies.do>))- >>>>>> It was earlier relied upon by The Plant List for these families (but was >>>>>> based on fixed data submitted to them in 2012) and now by The Catalogue >>>>>> of >>>>>> Life as well as POWO depend on this for most of these families. >>>>>> Then there are others like Catalogue of Life and POWO. GBIF relies on >>>>>> Catalogue of Life, but names of synonymous species (which were at some >>>>>> point were accepted) are also shown on the thumbnails in the gallery (in >>>>>> case there is some different treatment by somebody else). But Catalogue >>>>>> of >>>>>> life does not indicate bibliography as is being done in GRIN earlier and >>>>>> now in POWO (so we do not know upto what date publications have been >>>>>> considered). But if it gives detailed distribution, it may be considered >>>>>> that a wide range of sources have been considered. >>>>>> Then there are eFloras (like those of China, Pakistan and Nepal), >>>>>> which were published online in the early 2000. >>>>>> Then one may not find one species in some of the databases due to >>>>>> some slight difference in spelling in the middle or at the end of the >>>>>> name. >>>>>> Earlier it was GRIN, which has almost gone now. Then came ITIS and >>>>>> The Plant List, a good attempt to start with. These are almost replaced >>>>>> by >>>>>> WCSP, Catalogue of Life, Plants of the World Online etc. >>>>>> It is good to see competition. And it is always better to consult a >>>>>> few of them rather than depending on one. *And finally choose one >>>>>> that you feel is better for a particular species, genus or family >>>>>> depending >>>>>> upon from where the underlying data is coming from*. >>>>>> Recently there has been widespread changes in many genera, but we >>>>>> have to consciously see and decide if we have to follow them for the sake >>>>>> of familiarity or not. >>>>>> The opinion of the Experts on our group in the past or future, may >>>>>> also be considered. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> While following different databases for last few years, I have seen >>>>>>> totally different taxonomic treatments in these: Kew Database (Plants of >>>>>>> The World Online), World Flora Online (replacement for TPL) and >>>>>>> Catalogue >>>>>>> of Life (April 2020 Beta version). >>>>>>> I have mostly been following the Catalogue of Life, but while >>>>>>> preparing the list of species reported from India, I noticed that >>>>>>> several >>>>>>> species are not even listed in this database. I could find all these in >>>>>>> Kew >>>>>>> Database. This raises a big question, which database we should follow >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the sake of unanimity. As different volunteers are working for updation >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> our website, we need to develop consensus. As per my recent experience I >>>>>>> would vote for Kew Database. Your opinions please to reach an agreed >>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>> more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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