---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 20:20 Subject: Re: [itpmods:14149] Which database to follow? To: itpmods <[email protected]>
Garg ji Here are the two families (Annonaceae and Dilleniaceae) with list of species reported from India and those represented on our website, nomenclature updated from Kew Database. Fortunately generic distribution and nomenclature agrees with what we have on our database. Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Mob: 9810359089 https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Vijayasankar <[email protected]> wrote: > I usually consult various databases to get a more complete picture, but > more frequently POWO. When there is discrepancy in the names among TPL, > CoL, GBIF, POWO, I have found POWO as more reliable and inclusive. > > Tropicos ( https://www.tropicos.org/home ) is also great; it provides > reference details of who accepted a name or treated as synonym, and also > tags names whether it's a nom. cons., legitimate, invalid, nom. rej., or > illegitimate. > > For medicinal plants species, I would refer to MPNS ( > https://mpns.science.kew.org/mpns-portal/) which is the most recent and > being actively updated for medicinal plants. This database gives both > common/vernacular and botanical names, often sourced from WCSP & POWO, with > references. > > Vijayasankar > ---------------------------------------- > Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. > Sr. Research Scientist > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi, USA > > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Santhosh ji. >> It is a question who has updated with the latest publications as well as >> who has dipped into other databases like BSI Flora of India, India's >> regional Floras and eFloras etc. >> Sometimes it is POWO and sometimes it is Catalogue of Life. >> We have to consult both and then decide which to follow. >> >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 17:18, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think the Kew Database is more reliable >>> >>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 5:09 pm Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Gurucharan Sir, >>>> >>>> I find a lot of discrepancies as well. Sme names in POWO is >>>> completely different which is >>>> not mentioned in any other sites and accepted names/ synonyms v.v.. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:27 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, Singh ji, >>>>> We have to follow which we feel is more logical. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 16:05, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just an example I was looking up latest taxonomic status of *Polyalthia >>>>>> cerasoides* (Roxb.) Benth. & Hook.f. ex Bedd. listed in BSA Flora of >>>>>> India. Catalogue of Life showed it as synonym of *Hubera cerasoides >>>>>> *(Roxb.) >>>>>> Chaowasku, whereas Kew Database showed both as synonyms of Huberantha >>>>>> cerasoides (Roxb.) Chaowasku. On further looking up I found former >>>>>> published in 2012 and latter in 2015 by the same author, obviously it is >>>>>> logical to follow latter. Plus as I wrote Catalogue of Life simply does >>>>>> not >>>>>> list many names. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:54 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think WCSP >>>>>>> <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=C401F4DE7044C35CF77D2DBD86891292.kppapp06-wcsp?checklist=selected_families%40%40003030120200907348> >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> one of the most reliable, but limited only to a limited number of >>>>>>> families >>>>>>> (The checklist includes 200 Seed Plant families (View list of >>>>>>> included families <https://wcsp.science.kew.org/incfamilies.do>))- >>>>>>> It was earlier relied upon by The Plant List for these families (but was >>>>>>> based on fixed data submitted to them in 2012) and now by The Catalogue >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Life as well as POWO depend on this for most of these families. >>>>>>> Then there are others like Catalogue of Life and POWO. GBIF relies >>>>>>> on Catalogue of Life, but names of synonymous species (which were at >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> point were accepted) are also shown on the thumbnails in the gallery (in >>>>>>> case there is some different treatment by somebody else). But Catalogue >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> life does not indicate bibliography as is being done in GRIN earlier and >>>>>>> now in POWO (so we do not know upto what date publications have been >>>>>>> considered). But if it gives detailed distribution, it may be considered >>>>>>> that a wide range of sources have been considered. >>>>>>> Then there are eFloras (like those of China, Pakistan and Nepal), >>>>>>> which were published online in the early 2000. >>>>>>> Then one may not find one species in some of the databases due to >>>>>>> some slight difference in spelling in the middle or at the end of the >>>>>>> name. >>>>>>> Earlier it was GRIN, which has almost gone now. Then came ITIS and >>>>>>> The Plant List, a good attempt to start with. These are almost replaced >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> WCSP, Catalogue of Life, Plants of the World Online etc. >>>>>>> It is good to see competition. And it is always better to consult a >>>>>>> few of them rather than depending on one. *And finally choose one >>>>>>> that you feel is better for a particular species, genus or family >>>>>>> depending >>>>>>> upon from where the underlying data is coming from*. >>>>>>> Recently there has been widespread changes in many genera, but we >>>>>>> have to consciously see and decide if we have to follow them for the >>>>>>> sake >>>>>>> of familiarity or not. >>>>>>> The opinion of the Experts on our group in the past or future, may >>>>>>> also be considered. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 12:47, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While following different databases for last few years, I have seen >>>>>>>> totally different taxonomic treatments in these: Kew Database (Plants >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> The World Online), World Flora Online (replacement for TPL) and >>>>>>>> Catalogue >>>>>>>> of Life (April 2020 Beta version). >>>>>>>> I have mostly been following the Catalogue of Life, but while >>>>>>>> preparing the list of species reported from India, I noticed that >>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>> species are not even listed in this database. I could find all these >>>>>>>> in Kew >>>>>>>> Database. This raises a big question, which database we should follow >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the sake of unanimity. As different volunteers are working for >>>>>>>> updation of >>>>>>>> our website, we need to develop consensus. As per my recent experience >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> would vote for Kew Database. Your opinions please to reach an agreed >>>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CAHiXKpWR9XF_2-nTWjDZO0JmrrqDXyZmcK75kt6JX_XQMJS0OA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>>> more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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