---------- Forwarded message --------- From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 11:24 Subject: Re: [itpmods:14622] Fwd: Confusion regarding Verbascum chinense To: itpmods <[email protected]> Cc: GurcharanSingh <[email protected]>
Thanks, Singh ji, I am asking for the difference between *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau & *Verbascum coromandelianum *(Vahl) Kuntze. Flora of China <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> mentions *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau (syn: *Verbascum coromandelianum* (Vahl) Kuntze), while POWO reports both of them (*Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau & *Verbascum coromandelianum *(Vahl) Kuntze)) as independent species. On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 09:58, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Verbascum chinense is what was described in Flora of British India as > Celsia coromandelianum > Differences are so obvious > V. thapsus: stamens 5, basal leaves not divided, cauline strongly > decurrent, densely woolly > V. chinensis: stamens 4, basal leaves lyrate-pinnatifid, cauline not > decurrent, not densely woolly. > The species are well represented on Flowers of India > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:18 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, Anil ji, >> Flora of China >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> >> mentions >> *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau (syn: *Verbascum >> coromandelianum* (Vahl) Kuntze), while POWO reports both of them (*Verbascum >> chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau & *Verbascum coromandelianum *(Vahl) >> Kuntze)) as independent species. >> We do not know the difference between the two. >> >> >> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 08:26, Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You are right, Garg ji >>> But the confusion arises when one data base considers some species as >>> accepted and the other as a synonym of some other name. >>> Regards >>> >>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020, 7:16 am J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Anil ji, >>>> POWO is not the ultimate solution. Catalogue of Life is far ahead in >>>> many families, particularly those which are not there in WCSP from Kew. >>>> Both needs to consulted simultaneously where species are not listed in >>>> WCSP. >>>> However, any inputs in this matter. >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J. M. Garg >>>> >>>> On Thu, 3 Sep, 2020, 10:49 pm Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Garg ji, there are many such problems with closely related species on >>>>> different databases. Therefore, I consult only POWO at present. >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020, 9:30 pm J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 21:29 >>>>>> Subject: Re: Confusion regarding Verbascum chinense >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora of China >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210002271> >>>>>> mentions >>>>>> *Verbascum chinense* (Linnaeus) Santapau(syn: *Scrophularia >>>>>> chinensis* Linnaeus; *Celsia coromandeliana* Vahl; *Verbascum >>>>>> coromandelianum* (Vahl) Kuntze; *V. sinense* H. Léveillé & Giraud). >>>>>> I could not find any clue on searching the net. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 21:27, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Catalogue of life >>>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/d55b5c237016ce7779b35b1514454795> >>>>>>> gives *Verbascum chinense* (L.) Santapau as a syn. of *Verbascum >>>>>>> coromandelianum* subsp. *sinense* (L.) D. Mc Kean with distribution >>>>>>> as China (Guangxi, Sichuan, Yunnan), Pakistan (Sind, Pakistani >>>>>>> Punjab, Rawalpindi, N.W.Frontier Prov., Peshawar), Jammu & Kashmir >>>>>>> (Kashmir). >>>>>>> POWO >>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:810918-1> >>>>>>> gives *Verbascum chinense *(L.) Santapau with native range is >>>>>>> Afghanistan to S. China and Indo-China (Afghanistan, Bangladesh, >>>>>>> Cambodia, China South-Central, China Southeast, India, Laos, Thailand, >>>>>>> West >>>>>>> Himalaya) >>>>>>> POWO >>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:891511-1> >>>>>>> also gives *Verbascum coromandelianum* subsp. *sinense *with native >>>>>>> to China South-Central. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Catalogue of life >>>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/d55b5c237016ce7779b35b1514454795> >>>>>>> also gives *Verbascum coromandelianum *subsp. *coromandelianum* >>>>>>> with distribution as Afghanistan (Kandahar), ?Pakistan, India, >>>>>>> Myanmar [Burma] (Ayeyarwady, Bago, Mandalay, Yangon), NE-Thailand, Sri >>>>>>> Lanka, Laos, Cambodia, India, Bangladesh. >>>>>>> POWO >>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:810960-1#children> >>>>>>> gives *Verbascum coromandelianum *with native range is E. & SE. >>>>>>> Afghanistan to Myanmar (Afghanistan, India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have mainly only two species in India as per details at Verbascum >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/scrophulariaceae/verbascum> >>>>>>> (*V. chinense *and *V.thapsus*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anybody help in clearing this confusion? 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