Sir, In the type species of *U. argentea*, the "REVISION" describes : "monocarps numerous, red or purple ..... *glabrous*," In case of *U. argentea* var. *bracteata*, the "REVISION" describes : "differs from the type ..... petals, and the leaves .... obovate." *(No difference in monocarps noted in the 'revision')*.
*Monocarps in Sawmliana ji's picture are densely tomentose* So, I do not think it can be *U. argentea* var. *bracteata*. On the other hand, the description in the "revision" of *U. hamiltonii* monocarps : "monocarps 10-14, gloose to oblong ..... green turning red .... outer surface ferrugino-tomentose .... So, I think this is the plant what I see in FoI - https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Eastern%20Uvaria.html Thank you. Best regards, Surajit Koley On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 17:49, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Can it be *Uvaria argentea* Bl. var. *bracteata *as per GBIF > <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=3156920>- specimen > <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Flive.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F48262354742_3ff3cc3104_o_d.jpg> > ? > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 16:55, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Surajit ji. >> What is worrying me is the colour of the fruit. >> I could not find any mention in the descriptions in the revision as well >> as in FBI >> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/uvaria-hamiltonii-hookf-thomson-2> >> and >> also in the GBIF >> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=3154362> - specimens >> one >> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441303797685UYjl6u0kNCPO198B>, >> two >> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1770631%2Fformat%2Flarge> >> and three >> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1443509695466Hqigth1MvsLVpYTw> >> and >> four >> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441303774929ntdVD65xxh7w3O1L> >> . >> >> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 at 18:28, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is *Uvaria hamiltonii H.f. & T (var, hamiltonii)*. >>> >>> One problem area is that the Paper, "A revised Taxonomy for Uvaria >>> (Annonaceae)in Continental Asia" doesn't recognise its presence in that >>> region. But Sawmliana ji has taken care of it - >>> https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Eastern%20Uvaria.html >>> >>> Thank you. >>> Best regards, >>> Surajit Koley >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 20:13, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, I downloaded the "paper", from BioOne >>>> <https://bioone.org/journals/australian-systematic-botany/volume-31/issue-4/SB17051/A-revised-taxonomy-for-Uvaria-Annonaceae-in-continental-Asia/10.1071/SB17051.short#:~:text=A%20revised%20taxonomy%20for%20Uvaria%20(Annonaceae)%20in%20continental%20Asia&text=This%20paper%20presents%20a%20revision%20of%20Uvaria%20L.&text=Thirty%2Dthree%20species%20and%20species,Cyathostemma%20Griff.%2C%20Ellipeia%20Hook.>,(open >>>> access), about a month ago and already flipped itrs pages, but it didn't >>>> help. >>>> because - >>>> *Identification KEY starts with flower character*, which is not >>>> available in this discussion. >>>> >>>> I would request Swamliana ji to provide details like leaf and fruit >>>> size, if possible >>>> or, alternatively >>>> request him to go through the paper and decide himself. >>>> Another literature might (or might not) help - >>>> https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/85005#page/3/mode/1up. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> Best regards, >>>> Surajit Koley >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 14:05, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Surajit. >>>>> Sending you the paper separately only, in case you can nail down the >>>>> id. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 20:55, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It looks similar to *Uvaria macrophylla* Roxb., at Hong Kong >>>>>> herbarium - https://www.herbarium.gov.hk/subpages.aspx?id=8908. The >>>>>> indumentum of epicarp can be hairy, as per Flora of China - >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008601. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, Flora of "British India" and "Bengal Plats", both include its >>>>>> distribution in Bangladesh (Silhet, Chittagong). >>>>>> >>>>>> *Most importantly*, the treatment of the taxon is different in the >>>>>> paper titled, "A revised taxonomy for *Uvaria* (Annonaceae) in >>>>>> continental Asia". >>>>>> <https://bioone.org/journals/australian-systematic-botany/volume-31/issue-4/SB17051/A-revised-taxonomy-for-Uvaria-Annonaceae-in-continental-Asia/10.1071/SB17051.short#:~:text=A%20revised%20taxonomy%20for%20Uvaria%20(Annonaceae)%20in%20continental%20Asia&text=This%20paper%20presents%20a%20revision%20of%20Uvaria%20L.&text=Thirty%2Dthree%20species%20and%20species,Cyathostemma%20Griff.%2C%20Ellipeia%20Hook.> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, before any species determination one needs to examine thoroughly >>>>>> each and every morphological character of the submitted species. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 at 11:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Then who identified it as Uvaria ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 19:01, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Sawmliana ji >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr, 2021, 6:52 pm M Sawmliana, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Uvaria is not recorded/listed in Flora of Mizoram >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr, 2021, 5:37 pm J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>> What are species listed in your area? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 16:11, M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Uvaria hamiltonii ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug, 2014, 6:32 pm J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 27 July 2014 06:10 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:195016] Uvaria sp. ? for ID >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Mizoram >>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Large climber >>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat : Growing wild in the forests. >>>>>>>>>>>> Note : Fruit edible. 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