Thanks a lot, Viplav ji, for the wonderful analysis and efforts. On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 at 20:39, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I don't have access to a specific key for the two species of *Benkara* under > consideration here. The description of *Benkara fasciculata* by King & > Gamble on the India Biodiversity Portal > <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/280724> is the only > 'detailed' one that I could find. However, it is amply clear that the leaf > shape of both the species can vary. The leaf shape of *Benkara* > *malabarica* has been described variously by different authors as: > "ovate, subacute at the apex, rounded at the base" (Talbot); > "elliptic-oblong or oblong-lanceolate, subacute, tapering to the base" > (Cooke); and "obovate to oblanceolate" (Brandis). Therefore, I doubt if the > shape of the leaves can be a reliable distinguishing feature. > > Speaking of leaves, what stands out in the available descriptions is the > thickness: > > *B. fasciculata*: Leaves membranous (King & Gamble); > *B. malabarica*: Leaves coriaceous (Talbot / Cooke / Brandis). > > I feel that the inflorescence structure in the attached image posted by > Alka ji is more revealing. There is a similar image of the inflorescence of > *B. > malabarica* in the Auroville Virtual Herbarium > <https://aurovilleherbarium.org/contents/description-flower.php?id=52>, > it differs from the sparse flower clusters/fascicles of *B. fasciculata* in > the eflora of India page > <https://efloraofindia.com/2021/05/02/benkara-fasciculata/>. Brandis > writes that the axillary fascicles of *B. fasciculata* > <https://efloraofindia.com/2021/05/02/benkara-fasciculata/> are > "few-flowered". > > *B. fasciculata*: Flowers axillary, in fascicles or solitary (King & > Gamble); few-flowered (Brandis); > *B. malabarica*: Flowers in congested leaf-opposed, short-peduncled cymes > (Talbot / Cooke). > > Another distinctive floral feature appears to be the size of the corolla > tube in relation to the lobes. > > *B. fasciculata*: Corolla tube nearly 1 inch in length (King & Gamble); > *B. malabarica*: Corolla tube shorter than the lobes (Brandis); tube 0.2" > long (Talbot). > > Best wishes, Viplav > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 at 13:38, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Viplav ji, for solving the mystery. >> In that case, it appears more closer to images, details and references at >> Benkara >> fasciculata <https://efloraofindia.com/2021/05/02/benkara-fasciculata/> >> rather >> than those at Benkara malabarica >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2017/08/04/benkara-malabarica/> >> Pl. also see leaf bases in other three images. >> Both are reported from Orissa as per BSI Flora of India checklist >> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/speciesList_PCL.action?resultType=genusWise&parent_Id=16285&parent_Name=benkara> >> . >> Also see POWO >> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77089753-1> >> (Benkara >> fasciculata) and POWO >> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:912144-1> >> (Benkara >> malabarica) >> >> >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 14:19, [email protected] <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> This appears to be *Benkara malabarica* (Lam.) Tirveng. [*Rubiaceae*]. >>> The inflorescence structure ("in congested leaf-opposed, short >>> peduncled cymes") can be seen in the third image. >>> >>> Best wishes, Viplav >>> >>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 10:31, Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> OK Garg ji. >>>> We take it as Catunaregam spinosa. >>>> >>>> I was referring to the leaves of this plant that I had seen in Mumbai >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Alka Khare >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:56:57 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not find anything more closer than Catunaregam spinosa >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/14/catunaregam-spinosa/> >>>>> Flora of Pakistan >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220002468> >>>>> says: >>>>> *Leaves opposite or fascicled on dwarf branches, obovate, 2.5–7.5 x >>>>> 1.25–3.75 cm, rarely ovate or spathulate,* entire, obtuse or acute, >>>>> membranous, glabrous or pubescent on both surfaces, specially on the >>>>> nerves >>>>> beneath; shortly petioled, petiole hairy; lateral nerves prominent. >>>>> >>>>> Flora of China >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=220002468> >>>>> says: >>>>> *Petiole 2-8 mm, *pilose, pilosulous, or hirtellous to glabrous;* >>>>> leaf blade drying papery or subleathery, obovate or oblong-obovate or >>>>> rarely ovate to spatulate, 1.8-11 × 1-5.7 cm, *both surfaces glabrous >>>>> to strigillose, strigose, hirtellous, or sparsely hirsute at least along >>>>> principal veins,* base cuneate and sometimes decurrent,* margins >>>>> entire or often shortly ciliate, apex acute; *secondary veins 4-7 >>>>> pairs, *often with pilosulous domatia in abaxial axils; >>>>> >>>>> Leaf base appears to be variable in the same image, which is creating >>>>> some doubt in my mind also. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 21:21, Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No Garg ji, there is no mix up. >>>>>> All pics belong to the same plant. >>>>>> >>>>>> The leaves of the plants I have seen in Maharashtra have more >>>>>> pronounced veins, I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Leaves appear to be OK in the 3rd image. >>>>>>> Pl. check. >>>>>>> Is there any mix up? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 10:19, Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Garg ji. >>>>>>>> The leaves looked completely different though. >>>>>>>> I have seen quite a few of these trees here in Maharashtra and the >>>>>>>> leaves looked different. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 1:42:05 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pl. check with images at Catunaregam spinosa >>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/14/catunaregam-spinosa/> >>>>>>>>> To me appears close. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 17:48, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please check Randia/Himalrandia/Benkara/Caturanegam !! >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 5:27 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello friends >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This was clicked at Satpada on the banks of the Chilika lake, >>>>>>>>>>> Odisha in December 2021. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Requested to please ID. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a32cf13b-9e8e-4534-b501-ec98bad3f8e9n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a32cf13b-9e8e-4534-b501-ec98bad3f8e9n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/4fee9f14-7124-4baf-b405-3ebc223afeb6n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/4fee9f14-7124-4baf-b405-3ebc223afeb6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/58ac4400-5ec7-4368-8f76-f8a2ceb91bf0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/58ac4400-5ec7-4368-8f76-f8a2ceb91bf0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/837deafb-a2cd-48ca-8b8a-092e81e5beb2n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/837deafb-a2cd-48ca-8b8a-092e81e5beb2n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEBD%2BRqcPj7J-G281GYwc%2BmTBHBN4V1BFeg-O-nyMBx1%3DCv35A%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEBD%2BRqcPj7J-G281GYwc%2BmTBHBN4V1BFeg-O-nyMBx1%3DCv35A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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