Thank you Viplav ji for the detailed analysis. The ID could be resolved. Apologies for a delayed revert.
Regards Alka Khare On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:47:11 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > Thanks a lot, Viplav ji, for the wonderful analysis and efforts. > > On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 at 20:39, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I don't have access to a specific key for the two species of *Benkara* under >> consideration here. The description of *Benkara fasciculata* by King & >> Gamble on the India Biodiversity Portal >> <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/280724> is the only >> 'detailed' one that I could find. However, it is amply clear that the leaf >> shape of both the species can vary. The leaf shape of *Benkara* >> *malabarica* has been described variously by different authors as: >> "ovate, subacute at the apex, rounded at the base" (Talbot); >> "elliptic-oblong or oblong-lanceolate, subacute, tapering to the base" >> (Cooke); and "obovate to oblanceolate" (Brandis). Therefore, I doubt if the >> shape of the leaves can be a reliable distinguishing feature. >> >> Speaking of leaves, what stands out in the available descriptions is the >> thickness: >> >> *B. fasciculata*: Leaves membranous (King & Gamble); >> *B. malabarica*: Leaves coriaceous (Talbot / Cooke / Brandis). >> >> I feel that the inflorescence structure in the attached image posted by >> Alka ji is more revealing. There is a similar image of the inflorescence of >> *B. >> malabarica* in the Auroville Virtual Herbarium >> <https://aurovilleherbarium.org/contents/description-flower.php?id=52>, >> it differs from the sparse flower clusters/fascicles of *B. fasciculata* in >> the eflora of India page >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2021/05/02/benkara-fasciculata/>. Brandis >> writes that the axillary fascicles of *B. fasciculata* >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2021/05/02/benkara-fasciculata/> are >> "few-flowered". >> >> *B. fasciculata*: Flowers axillary, in fascicles or solitary (King & >> Gamble); few-flowered (Brandis); >> *B. malabarica*: Flowers in congested leaf-opposed, >> short-peduncled cymes (Talbot / Cooke). >> >> Another distinctive floral feature appears to be the size of the corolla >> tube in relation to the lobes. >> >> *B. fasciculata*: Corolla tube nearly 1 inch in length (King & Gamble); >> *B. malabarica*: Corolla tube shorter than the lobes (Brandis); tube >> 0.2" long (Talbot). >> >> Best wishes, Viplav >> >> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 at 13:38, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Viplav ji, for solving the mystery. >>> In that case, it appears more closer to images, details and references >>> at Benkara fasciculata >>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2021/05/02/benkara-fasciculata/> rather than >>> those at Benkara malabarica >>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2017/08/04/benkara-malabarica/> >>> Pl. also see leaf bases in other three images. >>> Both are reported from Orissa as per BSI Flora of India checklist >>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/speciesList_PCL.action?resultType=genusWise&parent_Id=16285&parent_Name=benkara> >>> . >>> Also see POWO >>> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77089753-1> >>> (Benkara fasciculata) and POWO >>> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:912144-1> >>> (Benkara >>> malabarica) >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 14:19, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> This appears to be *Benkara malabarica* (Lam.) Tirveng. [*Rubiaceae*]. >>>> The inflorescence structure ("in congested leaf-opposed, short >>>> peduncled cymes") can be seen in the third image. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, Viplav >>>> >>>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 10:31, Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK Garg ji. >>>>> We take it as Catunaregam spinosa. >>>>> >>>>> I was referring to the leaves of this plant that I had seen in Mumbai >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Alka Khare >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:56:57 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I do not find anything more closer than Catunaregam spinosa >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/14/catunaregam-spinosa/> >>>>>> Flora of Pakistan >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220002468> >>>>>> says: >>>>>> *Leaves opposite or fascicled on dwarf branches, obovate, 2.5–7.5 x >>>>>> 1.25–3.75 cm, rarely ovate or spathulate,* entire, obtuse or acute, >>>>>> membranous, glabrous or pubescent on both surfaces, specially on the >>>>>> nerves >>>>>> beneath; shortly petioled, petiole hairy; lateral nerves prominent. >>>>>> >>>>>> Flora of China >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=220002468> >>>>>> says: >>>>>> *Petiole 2-8 mm, *pilose, pilosulous, or hirtellous to glabrous;* >>>>>> leaf blade drying papery or subleathery, obovate or oblong-obovate or >>>>>> rarely ovate to spatulate, 1.8-11 × 1-5.7 cm, *both surfaces >>>>>> glabrous to strigillose, strigose, hirtellous, or sparsely hirsute at >>>>>> least >>>>>> along principal veins,* base cuneate and sometimes decurrent,* >>>>>> margins entire or often shortly ciliate, apex acute; *secondary >>>>>> veins 4-7 pairs, *often with pilosulous domatia in abaxial axils; >>>>>> >>>>>> Leaf base appears to be variable in the same image, which is creating >>>>>> some doubt in my mind also. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 21:21, Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No Garg ji, there is no mix up. >>>>>>> All pics belong to the same plant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The leaves of the plants I have seen in Maharashtra have more >>>>>>> pronounced veins, I think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Leaves appear to be OK in the 3rd image. >>>>>>>> Pl. check. >>>>>>>> Is there any mix up? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 10:19, Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Garg ji. >>>>>>>>> The leaves looked completely different though. >>>>>>>>> I have seen quite a few of these trees here in Maharashtra and the >>>>>>>>> leaves looked different. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 1:42:05 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pl. check with images at Catunaregam spinosa >>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/14/catunaregam-spinosa/> >>>>>>>>>> To me appears close. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 17:48, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please check Randia/Himalrandia/Benkara/Caturanegam !! >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 5:27 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello friends >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This was clicked at Satpada on the banks of the Chilika lake, >>>>>>>>>>>> Odisha in December 2021. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Requested to please ID. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a32cf13b-9e8e-4534-b501-ec98bad3f8e9n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a32cf13b-9e8e-4534-b501-ec98bad3f8e9n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/4fee9f14-7124-4baf-b405-3ebc223afeb6n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/4fee9f14-7124-4baf-b405-3ebc223afeb6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/58ac4400-5ec7-4368-8f76-f8a2ceb91bf0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/58ac4400-5ec7-4368-8f76-f8a2ceb91bf0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/837deafb-a2cd-48ca-8b8a-092e81e5beb2n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/837deafb-a2cd-48ca-8b8a-092e81e5beb2n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEBD%2BRqcPj7J-G281GYwc%2BmTBHBN4V1BFeg-O-nyMBx1%3DCv35A%40mail.gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEBD%2BRqcPj7J-G281GYwc%2BmTBHBN4V1BFeg-O-nyMBx1%3DCv35A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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