Many thanks for the help from all in this group! Nothing ventured nothing gained. I had the cheek to write to Kew a good while ago! I have just received a very kind, helpful e mail... Hurray...after 3 years I have finely got the answer...see below It ties in perfectly with Dr Pankaj Kumar answer
................................................................................................. Quote from Kew. "Thank you for your email and I apologise for taking so long to get back to you. I haven’t been able to get a definitive answer but one of our scientists has said that she thinks it looks most like a Byttneria species in the Malvaceae family. I hope that helps! Kind regards *Toni Risebro* Science Services Support Officer Science Services and Laboratories Millennium Seed Bank, Wakehurst Ardingly, Haywards Heath, RH17 6TN" ............................................................... On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 9:43:26 AM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. wrote: > Thank you......I am EXTREMELY /ACUTELY aware of this. > Sadly on a cruise the landing may be just 2 hours..time is precious. > I want to see as much as possible..the landscape, scenery, the birds as > well as the new to me plants. > I never have the luxury of spending 10 mins recording each plant...nor do > I ever carry a note book. > My tiny point and shoot Canon Ixus camera is all I ever use. > > I have been VERY fortunate to visit several very remote places and know I > will never get a 2nd chance to revisit. > Even if I did the chance of finding the plant again is remote. > Which is why I try to be very observant and to take images to aid with id > later. > I call it my homework...I take it very seriously. > I hate to misname any of my pictures. > Sometimes I take more pics but they are out of focus and have to be > deleted..everything is a rush on these magical holidays. > > I am very aware of taking images to show details . to aid with id....such > as alternate v opposite leaves/flowers./fruits/bark..any other features > that back in UK will help me to add an accurate name. > If plants are vines I take pics of tendrils or twisted stems. > To my very best recollection this was a free standing shrub/young tree. > > My 5 images above I feel are not too bad. .. > they show alternate leaves, the shape of the leaves, the length of the > stalks, the veins, the leaf texture above and below, the fruits, the stem > , the glands. > I thought this would be so easy to get an instant id. > Many identifications can be done from a lot less. > > At home it is easy..if I need more pics I can pop back to have a closer > look. > > I am at heart a gardener with a passion for plants. > I try to add to my knowledge on my travels. > I do not profess to be a botanist...which is why I love forums where > people far cleverer than me give freely of their time to assist. > In turn I can often help other with identifications. > Every day is a school day! > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 1:44:33 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: > >> I say again, please remember that this genus has lianas too. That's why I >> always say take multiple pics from multiple angles, like Saroj sir. In >> botany please do not take it for granted that you will get a second chance >> to visit the plant to take pictures once again, especially when you are >> travelling. >> Best of luck. >> Pankaj >> >> On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 08:37, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Sheila ji >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Wed, 25 May, 2022, 3:17 am Plantaholic Sheila., < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> So sorry. >>>> Not had a chance to search this. >>>> Found image on www of Byttneria parviflora..with square stem!!!! >>>> Still checking. >>>> Looks hopeful. >>>> >>>> https://ecuador.inaturalist.org/taxa/801735-Byttneria-parviflora >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:01:40 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >>>> >>>>> Look closely! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I find the fruits of >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw>Byttneria >>>>>> >>>>>> to be a little different >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:11, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Sheila ji >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:03, Plantaholic Sheila. < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Dr Pankaj Kumar >>>>>>>> 6:01 AM (2 hours ago) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to JM Garg, efloraofindia, Plantaholic Sheila. >>>>>>>> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the >>>>>>>> Malvaceae database for Africa. >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> ===================================================== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you Dr Pankaj Kumar...this is a new plant to me i will do >>>>>>>> more research. >>>>>>>> ======================================================== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 8:31:27 AM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: *Pankaj Kumar* <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY >>>>>>>>> SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS >>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <[email protected] <https://groups.google.com/>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you sure it is not a climber? >>>>>>>>> ===================================================== >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your interest and for asking. >>>>>>>>> My memory of it was as a shrub.young tree. >>>>>>>>> It showed no sign of being a climber..no tendrils/no signs of >>>>>>>>> twisting branches. >>>>>>>>> Had it done that i am positive I would have taken a picture of >>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:01:32 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the >>>>>>>>>> Malvaceae database for Africa. >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY >>>>>>>>>>> SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS >>>>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure it is not a climber? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 08:33, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Plantaholic Sheila. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 May, 2022, 3:11 am >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16822] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] >>>>>>>>>>>> MYSTERY SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS >>>>>>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pic 3 seems to have some sort of gland in the axil of the >>>>>>>>>>>> leaves. >>>>>>>>>>>> Does this lead to any further clues? >>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen something slightly similar in Aleurites >>>>>>>>>>>> molaccana where 2 *glands* at the junction of the leaf base >>>>>>>>>>>> and petiole secrete a sweetish sap >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: ALEURITES MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-33-14.JPG][image: >>>>>>>>>>>> ALEURITES MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-30-56.JPG] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 10:13:53 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheila. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote... I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis >>>>>>>>>>>>> capitata*) ... but I think I am wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The leaves look different. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donesh >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ................................................................ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate all help. Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyptis is in Lamiaceae. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought we had established that it cannot be in this..see >>>>>>>>>>>>> several posts above. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This mystery plant was not a soft herbaceous plant. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a shrub/tree .....with strong woody square stems. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The round balls of seeds were quite large as were the leaves. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies that there is nothing to give my pics a scale. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so sure it would be easy to id I only took these pics >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:09:21 AM UTC+1 Dinesh Valke >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis capitata*) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... but I think I am wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The leaves look different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 12:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any confirmed ideas about the family or genus? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Plantaholic Sheila. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 21:18 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:415866] MYSTERY SHRUB 23rd Feb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022...SS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 001 04-04-2019 10-48-58.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-49-05.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 10-49-10.JPG][image: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 001 04-04-2019 10-49-36.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-50-01.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 10-50-05.JPG]My humble >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apologies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been so long since I posted here I have forgotten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw this shrub on Isla de la Plata. Ecuador. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part of Machalilla National Park. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4th April 2019...just 6 pics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have tried since than to id it...with no joy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please may I seek the assistance of the world wide experts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that help here to id this very distinctive plant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f54acb4e-9131-4110-a567-58e29067526dn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f54acb4e-9131-4110-a567-58e29067526dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBi-oR_WUKjxXKGtLNy2sY6AmcHUCMxQeZgqSA870sPiw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBi-oR_WUKjxXKGtLNy2sY6AmcHUCMxQeZgqSA870sPiw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7efcfc6f-a948-4ea5-9c39-aa28c4c4d2e2n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7efcfc6f-a948-4ea5-9c39-aa28c4c4d2e2n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCUNJYXKLEg1G484%3DQJ37vPT%3DCWcLz0AjX1Qhcam5F0gw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCUNJYXKLEg1G484%3DQJ37vPT%3DCWcLz0AjX1Qhcam5F0gw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar* MSc, PhD, FLS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., P.R. China >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> *Phone*: +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CABpo8%3D2LahWoP-wkZpEMCHT_ESd6K_hdKZ4oH5UWQoJgSYDjMQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CABpo8%3D2LahWoP-wkZpEMCHT_ESd6K_hdKZ4oH5UWQoJgSYDjMQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar* MSc, PhD, FLS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., P.R. China >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> *Phone*: +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7da6188a-2236-4b57-b17f-1c7f42e35486n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7da6188a-2236-4b57-b17f-1c7f42e35486n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Pankaj Kumar* MSc, PhD, FLS >>>>> >>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>> >>>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., P.R. 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