Thanks, Sheila ji -- With regards, J. M. Garg On Sat, 28 May, 2022, 2:49 am Plantaholic Sheila., < [email protected]> wrote:
> Many thanks for the help from all in this group! > > Nothing ventured nothing gained. > I had the cheek to write to Kew a good while ago! > I have just received a very kind, helpful e mail... > Hurray...after 3 years I have finely got the answer...see below > It ties in perfectly with Dr Pankaj Kumar answer > > > ................................................................................................. > > Quote from Kew. > "Thank you for your email and I apologise for taking so long to get back > to you. I haven’t been able to get a definitive answer but one of our > scientists has said that she thinks it looks most like a Byttneria species > in the Malvaceae family. > I hope that helps! > Kind regards > *Toni Risebro* > > Science Services Support Officer > > Science Services and Laboratories > > > Millennium Seed Bank, Wakehurst > > Ardingly, Haywards Heath, RH17 6TN" > ............................................................... > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 9:43:26 AM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. wrote: > >> Thank you......I am EXTREMELY /ACUTELY aware of this. >> Sadly on a cruise the landing may be just 2 hours..time is precious. >> I want to see as much as possible..the landscape, scenery, the birds as >> well as the new to me plants. >> I never have the luxury of spending 10 mins recording each plant...nor >> do I ever carry a note book. >> My tiny point and shoot Canon Ixus camera is all I ever use. >> >> I have been VERY fortunate to visit several very remote places and know I >> will never get a 2nd chance to revisit. >> Even if I did the chance of finding the plant again is remote. >> Which is why I try to be very observant and to take images to aid with id >> later. >> I call it my homework...I take it very seriously. >> I hate to misname any of my pictures. >> Sometimes I take more pics but they are out of focus and have to be >> deleted..everything is a rush on these magical holidays. >> >> I am very aware of taking images to show details . to aid with >> id....such as alternate v opposite leaves/flowers./fruits/bark..any other >> features that back in UK will help me to add an accurate name. >> If plants are vines I take pics of tendrils or twisted stems. >> To my very best recollection this was a free standing shrub/young tree. >> >> My 5 images above I feel are not too bad. .. >> they show alternate leaves, the shape of the leaves, the length of the >> stalks, the veins, the leaf texture above and below, the fruits, the stem >> , the glands. >> I thought this would be so easy to get an instant id. >> Many identifications can be done from a lot less. >> >> At home it is easy..if I need more pics I can pop back to have a closer >> look. >> >> I am at heart a gardener with a passion for plants. >> I try to add to my knowledge on my travels. >> I do not profess to be a botanist...which is why I love forums where >> people far cleverer than me give freely of their time to assist. >> In turn I can often help other with identifications. >> Every day is a school day! >> >> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 1:44:33 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >> >>> I say again, please remember that this genus has lianas too. That's why >>> I always say take multiple pics from multiple angles, like Saroj sir. In >>> botany please do not take it for granted that you will get a second chance >>> to visit the plant to take pictures once again, especially when you are >>> travelling. >>> Best of luck. >>> Pankaj >>> >>> On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 08:37, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Sheila ji >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J. M. Garg >>>> >>>> On Wed, 25 May, 2022, 3:17 am Plantaholic Sheila., < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So sorry. >>>>> Not had a chance to search this. >>>>> Found image on www of Byttneria parviflora..with square stem!!!! >>>>> Still checking. >>>>> Looks hopeful. >>>>> >>>>> https://ecuador.inaturalist.org/taxa/801735-Byttneria-parviflora >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:01:40 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Look closely! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I find the fruits of >>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw>Byttneria >>>>>>> to be a little different >>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:11, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Sheila ji >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:03, Plantaholic Sheila. < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr Pankaj Kumar >>>>>>>>> 6:01 AM (2 hours ago) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to JM Garg, efloraofindia, Plantaholic Sheila. >>>>>>>>> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the >>>>>>>>> Malvaceae database for Africa. >>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>> ===================================================== >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Dr Pankaj Kumar...this is a new plant to me i will do >>>>>>>>> more research. >>>>>>>>> ======================================================== >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 8:31:27 AM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: *Pankaj Kumar* <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY >>>>>>>>>> SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS >>>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <[email protected] <https://groups.google.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure it is not a climber? >>>>>>>>>> ===================================================== >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your interest and for asking. >>>>>>>>>> My memory of it was as a shrub.young tree. >>>>>>>>>> It showed no sign of being a climber..no tendrils/no signs of >>>>>>>>>> twisting branches. >>>>>>>>>> Had it done that i am positive I would have taken a picture of >>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:01:32 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the >>>>>>>>>>> Malvaceae database for Africa. >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] >>>>>>>>>>>> MYSTERY SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS >>>>>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure it is not a climber? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 08:33, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Plantaholic Sheila. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 May, 2022, 3:11 am >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16822] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] >>>>>>>>>>>>> MYSTERY SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pic 3 seems to have some sort of gland in the axil of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Does this lead to any further clues? >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen something slightly similar in Aleurites >>>>>>>>>>>>> molaccana where 2 *glands* at the junction of the leaf base >>>>>>>>>>>>> and petiole secrete a sweetish sap >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: ALEURITES MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-33-14.JPG][image: >>>>>>>>>>>>> ALEURITES MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-30-56.JPG] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 10:13:53 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheila. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote... I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capitata*) ... but I think I am wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The leaves look different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ................................................................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate all help. Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyptis is in Lamiaceae. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought we had established that it cannot be in this..see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> several posts above. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This mystery plant was not a soft herbaceous plant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a shrub/tree .....with strong woody square stems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The round balls of seeds were quite large as were the leaves. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies that there is nothing to give my pics a scale. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so sure it would be easy to id I only took these pics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:09:21 AM UTC+1 Dinesh Valke >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis capitata*) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... but I think I am wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The leaves look different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 12:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any confirmed ideas about the family or genus? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Plantaholic Sheila. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 21:18 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:415866] MYSTERY SHRUB 23rd Feb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022...SS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 001 04-04-2019 10-48-58.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-49-05.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 10-49-10.JPG][image: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 001 04-04-2019 10-49-36.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-50-01.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 10-50-05.JPG]My humble >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apologies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been so long since I posted here I have forgotten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw this shrub on Isla de la Plata. Ecuador. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part of Machalilla National Park. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4th April 2019...just 6 pics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have tried since than to id it...with no joy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please may I seek the assistance of the world wide experts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that help here to id this very distinctive plant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f54acb4e-9131-4110-a567-58e29067526dn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f54acb4e-9131-4110-a567-58e29067526dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBi-oR_WUKjxXKGtLNy2sY6AmcHUCMxQeZgqSA870sPiw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBi-oR_WUKjxXKGtLNy2sY6AmcHUCMxQeZgqSA870sPiw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7efcfc6f-a948-4ea5-9c39-aa28c4c4d2e2n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7efcfc6f-a948-4ea5-9c39-aa28c4c4d2e2n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "ITPmods" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCUNJYXKLEg1G484%3DQJ37vPT%3DCWcLz0AjX1Qhcam5F0gw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCUNJYXKLEg1G484%3DQJ37vPT%3DCWcLz0AjX1Qhcam5F0gw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar* MSc, PhD, FLS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., P.R. 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