Thanks for your valuable comments Tapas sir. I agree with your views and meanwhile someone clarify these 3 species based on field data combined with DNA/molecular studies, Garg ji in my opinion we should keep it as a separate species on our website under page *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble.
Please note than Verwijs *et al.* 2019 while synonymizing P. *narayanswamii* under *P. virgatus* have also mentioned some difference "The nervature of the leaves on the type of *P. narayanswamii* differs a little bit from other specimens of* P. virgatus *in the prominent nervature on the lower side of the leaf blade". Also it is notable that when the publication of Verwijs *et al. *came in October 2019, at around same time (just two months before in August) came another publication in Phytotaxa entitled "Taxonomic and habitat update to *Phyllanthus narayanswamii *(Phyllanthaceae): an endemic and endangered species from southern India" which is not referred in the publication of Verwijs *et al. *because as I mentioned earlier they got published round same time*.* So before this publication only little data was available about *P. narayanswamii* with no any images, so who knows if the publication on *P. narayanswamii* taxonomic and habitat update would have came earlier, Verwijs *et al. m*ay have retained the distinct species status of *P. narayanswamii* as they retained the status of *P. gardnerianus* and *P. tararae. *They have also mentioned in their paper abstract that "The species complex around *Phyllanthus virgatus* remains taxonomically difficult" and we are suffering from the same thing here... Thanks and regards Ashutosh Sharma On Monday, 12 December, 2022 at 3:30:27 pm UTC+5:30 tchakrab wrote: > Someone recently united P. narayanswamii under P. virgatus but kept P. > gardnerianus distinct. Bouman et al. (2022) maintained all as distinct. I > am fully confused here. P. virgatus is a Pacific species while P. simplex > is Asian. Someone recently informed me that P. narayanswsmii is distinct > from P. gardnerianus by habit, habitat and DNA data. > My studies based on specimens and images indicate that narayanswamii and > gardnerianus should be merged but considering the confusions, I will not go > for any taxonomic changes. Let someone clarify these 3 species with field > data combined with DNA studies. > With regards, > Tapas > > On Mon, 12 Dec 2022, 11:39 Saroj Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Syn. of *Phyllanthus virgatus *G.Forst. ? ? Looks different from >> images at >> http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3940&cat=7 >> ! >> Now , *Cathetus virgatus* (G.Forst.) R.W.Bouman ?? >> >> Please compare with *Phyllanthus macraei *Müll.Arg. . Now: *Cathetus >> rheedei* (Wight) R.W.Bouman >> >> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%27s%2520Leaf-Flower.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%2527s%2520Leaf-Flower.html&tbnid=y_CcsFWbZQlm0M&vet=12ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT..i&docid=ic-GNIA7lTEb8M&w=600&h=449&q=Phyllanthus%20macraei&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Good discussions and analysis. >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Mon, 12 Dec, 2022, 8:36 am Ashutosh Sharma, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> This must be *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble >>>> >>>> Under shrub upto 2 metre tall. Leaves alternative,sessile, elliptic >>>> coriaceous with thickened recurved margins. Perianth lobes 6 with 6 small >>>> glands in male flowers. Fruit capsule globose with verrucose glands. All >>>> these characters are matching with *Phyllanthus narayanswamii *Gamble >>>> >>>> So our plant is *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble, which is already >>>> reported from the Agasthyamala Biosphere Reserve where I have clicked this >>>> plant. >>>> Tapas sir I hope the identity is correct now! >>>> >>>> With best regards >>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 08:21 Ashutosh Sharma <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Tapas sir, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for pointing the mistake in id. You are absolutely correct it >>>>> can't be *Phyllanthus rangachariarii* owing to the characters you >>>>> mentioned i.e. 6 perianth and glands in male flowers instead of 4 in >>>>> *P. rangachariarii*). Additionally my plant is much smaller is height >>>>> not taller than 2 feets while *P. rangachariarii* is a much bigger >>>>> shrub upto 2 metre tall. >>>>> >>>>> I also checked type material images available on BSI virtual >>>>> herbarium, confirming the same. >>>>> >>>>> https://ivh.bsi.gov.in/phanerogams/en?search_bar=Phyllanthus+rangachariarii&selection=Scientific_Name >>>>> >>>>> With best regards >>>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 05:00 Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Even closer to P. gardnerianus but leaves sessile and thickly >>>>>> coriaceous. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022, 23:17 Tapas Chakrabarty, <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ashutosh ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am sorry for misguiding you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not at all P. rangachariarii. Just now I noticed that the >>>>>>> male sepals are 6. >>>>>>> The characters of the plant point to very close alliance to >>>>>>> Phyllanthus clarkei in almost all characters. But I have some doubts >>>>>>> because P. clarkei in not known from peninsular India so far and the >>>>>>> leaves >>>>>>> here are stiffly coriaceous. The glands in male flowers appear to be 6 >>>>>>> instead of 3. >>>>>>> So, please study your plant very carefully once again and compare >>>>>>> with P. clarkei (now called Cathetus clarkei). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> Tapas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022, 15:47 Ashutosh Sharma, <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Tapas sir, yes definitely these are the first and only >>>>>>>> photographic evidence of this rare endemic Phyllanthus species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best regards >>>>>>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 15:23 Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think this is the first field photographs of this rare endemic. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> Tapas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022, 13:58 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashutosh ji, for the wonderful addition. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Ashutosh Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 at 12:35 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:438048] Phyllanthus rangachariarii >>>>>>>>>> Murugan, Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy submission AS27 December 22 >>>>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's a new addition to eFloraofIndia website. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Phyllanthus rangachariari*i Murugan, Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy >>>>>>>>>> Family - Phyllanthaceae >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This rare species is narrow endemic to Agasthyamala Biosphere >>>>>>>>>> Reserve, Tamil Nadu >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Photographed in Kanyakumari district, Tamil Nadu >>>>>>>>>> In November 2022 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With best regards >>>>>>>>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFB8fQyLY0vnj81GuNQdHM_JY2oW9e-8CyfOSbhb2kKLCw%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFB8fQyLY0vnj81GuNQdHM_JY2oW9e-8CyfOSbhb2kKLCw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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