This is not at all P. macraei. On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, 16:24 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, Tapas ji, > What about its id as *Phyllanthus macraei* as per GBIF > <https://www.gbif.org/species/5382353> specimen > <https://www.gbif.org/tools/zoom/simple.html?src=//api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FU.1472314%2Fformat%2Flarge> > and > images at > https://efloraofindia.com/2011/04/09/phyllanthus-macraei/ ? > > On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 16:11, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Two persons, one from Delhi University and the other from IISC Bangalore >> had contacted me for initial identifications of their specimens for >> initiating molecular studies. Unfortunately none of them have published >> their findings yet. One person published a new species, P. palakondensis. >> The other person from Delhi shared me images from three localities of TN >> and AP and asked me to name them. I found that the supposed morphological >> differences between P. gardnerianus and P. narayanswamii are not standing >> good due to presence of intermediate plants (images). However, P. simplex >> stands separate for its much narrower and thinner leaves and presence of >> bisexual cymules, absent in the other two. >> Meanwhile Bouman et al. (2022) recognized these species as distinct under >> the genus Cathetus. They had not studied DNA samples of P. narayanswamii. >> In concusion, in my opinion, morphologically P. naraynswamii is same as >> P. gardnerianus but different from P. simplex. >> I hope molecular data and field observations will eventually clarify the >> situation. >> With regards, >> Tapas >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, 15:48 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> This is not at all P. rangachariarii. Just now I noticed that the male >>> sepals are 6. >>> The characters of the plant point to very close alliance to Phyllanthus >>> clarkei in almost all characters. But I have some doubts because P. clarkei >>> in not known from peninsular India so far and the leaves here are stiffly >>> coriaceous. The glands in male flowers appear to be 6 instead of 3. >>> So, please study your plant very carefully once again and compare with >>> P. clarkei (now called Cathetus clarkei). >>> With regards, >>> >>> Tapas >>> >>> Even closer to P. gardnerianus but leaves sessile and thickly >>> coriaceous.- from Tapas ji >>> Thanks for pointing the mistake in id. You are absolutely correct it >>> can't be *Phyllanthus rangachariarii* owing to the characters you >>> mentioned i.e. 6 perianth and glands in male flowers instead of 4 in >>> *P. rangachariarii*). Additionally my plant is much smaller is height >>> not taller than 2 feets while *P. rangachariarii* is a much bigger >>> shrub upto 2 metre tall. >>> I also checked type material images available on BSI virtual herbarium, >>> confirming the same. >>> >>> https://ivh.bsi.gov.in/phanerogams/en?search_bar=Phyllanthus+rangachariarii&selection=Scientific_Name >>> With best regards >>> >>> Ashutosh Sharma >>> This must be *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble >>> Under shrub upto 2 metre tall. Leaves alternative,sessile, elliptic >>> coriaceous with thickened recurved margins. Perianth lobes 6 with 6 small >>> glands in male flowers. Fruit capsule globose with verrucose glands. All >>> these characters are matching with *Phyllanthus narayanswamii *Gamble >>> So our plant is *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble, which is already >>> reported from the Agasthyamala Biosphere Reserve where I have clicked this >>> plant. >>> Tapas sir I hope the identity is correct now! >>> With best regards >>> >>> Ashutosh Sharma >>> Syn. of *Phyllanthus virgatus *G.Forst. ? ? Looks different from >>> images at >>> http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3940&cat=7 >>> ! >>> Now , *Cathetus virgatus* (G.Forst.) R.W.Bouman ?? >>> Please compare with *Phyllanthus macraei *Müll.Arg. . Now: *Cathetus >>> rheedei* (Wight) R.W.Bouman >>> >>> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%27s%2520Leaf-Flower.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%2527s%2520Leaf-Flower.html&tbnid=y_CcsFWbZQlm0M&vet=12ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT..i&docid=ic-GNIA7lTEb8M&w=600&h=449&q=Phyllanthus%20macraei&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> Someone recently united P. narayanswamii under P. virgatus but kept P. >>> gardnerianus distinct. Bouman et al. (2022) maintained all as distinct. I >>> am fully confused here. P. virgatus is a Pacific species while P. simplex >>> is Asian. Someone recently informed me that P. narayanswsmii is distinct >>> from P. gardnerianus by habit, habitat and DNA data. >>> My studies based on specimens and images indicate that narayanswamii and >>> gardnerianus should be merged but considering the confusions, I will not go >>> for any taxonomic changes. Let someone clarify these 3 species with field >>> data combined with DNA studies. >>> With regards, >>> >>> Tapas >>> Thanks for your valuable comments Tapas sir. I agree with your views and >>> meanwhile someone clarify these 3 species based on field data combined with >>> DNA/molecular studies, Garg ji in my opinion we should keep it as a >>> separate species on our website under page *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* >>> Gamble. >>> Please note than Verwijs *et al.* 2019 while synonymizing P. >>> *narayanswamii* under *P. virgatus* have also mentioned some >>> difference "The nervature of the leaves on the type of *P. >>> narayanswamii* differs a little bit from other specimens of* P. >>> virgatus *in the prominent nervature on the lower side of the leaf >>> blade". Also it is notable that when the publication of Verwijs *et >>> al. *came in October 2019, at around same time (just two months before >>> in August) came another publication in Phytotaxa entitled "Taxonomic and >>> habitat update to *Phyllanthus narayanswamii *(Phyllanthaceae): an >>> endemic and endangered species from southern India" which is not referred >>> in the publication of Verwijs *et al. *because as I mentioned earlier >>> they got published round same time*.* So before this publication only >>> little data was available about *P. narayanswamii* with no any images, >>> so who knows if the publication on *P. narayanswamii* taxonomic and >>> habitat update would have came earlier, Verwijs *et al. m*ay have >>> retained the distinct species status of *P. narayanswamii* as they >>> retained the status of *P. gardnerianus* and *P. tararae. *They have >>> also mentioned in their paper abstract that "The species complex around >>> *Phyllanthus >>> virgatus* remains taxonomically difficult" and we are suffering from >>> the same thing here... >>> Thanks and regards >>> >>> Ashutosh Sharma >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Ashutosh Sharma <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 at 12:35 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:438048] Phyllanthus rangachariarii Murugan, >>> Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy submission AS27 December 22 >>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Dear members, >>> >>> Here's a new addition to eFloraofIndia website. >>> >>> *Phyllanthus rangachariari*i Murugan, Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy >>> Family - Phyllanthaceae >>> >>> This rare species is narrow endemic to Agasthyamala Biosphere Reserve, >>> Tamil Nadu >>> >>> Photographed in Kanyakumari district, Tamil Nadu >>> In November 2022 >>> >>> With best regards >>> Ashutosh Sharma >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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