Ok, Dinesh ji

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 13:10, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Many thanks Surajit ji for suggesting the ID.
> Daniel McNair, has come up with same ID: *Abutilon hirtum* (Lam.) Sweet
> ... in my observation <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/149800463>
> uploaded at iNaturalist.
> Regards.
> Dinesh
>
> On Monday, 2 March 2015 at 07:45:24 UTC+5:30 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Vijay Sir seems to busy with something else. Dinesh Ji, if you count
>> number of styles and stigma (red coloured) int he flower of your first pic
>> you will see there are at least 23 clearly visible. So, your species is not 
>> *A.
>> indicum* (L.) Sweet as per KEY given by Vijay Sir in this thread. In *A.
>> hirtum* (Lam.) Sweet each merricarp is acute tipped
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/bhHzjFXfdcc/QjDHwqXGkMYJ>
>> as per KEY provided by Vijay Sir in another thread. The picture in the
>> FloraKarnataka link
>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/field/Abutilon%20hirtum/Picture%20076.jpg>
>> you have provided clearly shows viscid hairs. The buds there exactly same
>> as in your second pic. Haines', Roxburgh's plant has flowers with darker
>> centre - ferruginous/crimson/purple (FoC, FloraKarnataka).
>>
>> This species is *Abutilon hirtum* (Lam.) Sweet, not any 2nd form of *A.
>> indicum* (L.) Sweet.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Regards
>> surajit
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:16 AM, surajit koley <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree Vijay Sir, counting is controversial. At the same time your
>>> other points in earlier mail were also controversial -
>>>
>>>    - The mericarps are acute (not rounded at tip)
>>>
>>> If we start from KEY 3 in FoC
>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=100054#KEY-1-2>
>>> and proceed to KEY4 we will see mericarps in *A. hirtum* will have
>>> either acute or obscurely (to 2mm) awned apices.
>>> If we start from KEY8 of FoP
>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=100054#KEY-1-8>
>>> we will see *A. hirtum* will have mericarps acute or with a small mucro
>>> If we read Haines in BoBO we will see - "head of carpels rounded,
>>> muticous or mucronate
>>>
>>>    - the plant doesn't seem to have viscid hairs
>>>
>>> Haines recorded - "the whole plant covered with a tomentum much as in *A.
>>> indica*, but also with glandular pubescence and long soft hairs on the
>>> branches, peduncles, etc."
>>> Very little we can see branches and peduncles in the attached pictures
>>> in this thread.
>>> FoP and Roxburgh's account is "clammy pubescence"
>>>
>>> Dinesh Ji's flickr account of *A. indicum* features old photographs
>>> too. Here, in this thread there are only two photographs. It is impossible
>>> to count mericarps in the 2nd pic. In the first pic You are possibly
>>> correct about the number of mericarps in the dry fruit. But when we count
>>> number of carpels we cannot reject young fruit, in fact young fruit bears
>>> more validity, I think, in the sense that all carpels may not attain full
>>> maturity when a fruit is ripe.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Regards
>>> surajit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> haha, counting is often controversial :) we need a third umpire now...
>>>>
>>>> I counted the dry fruit wherein the mericarps are dehisced/opened up
>>>> and have two halves each (seen as lobes from side view) and counting was
>>>> easier here. I also counted a green fruit from an another picture posted by
>>>> Dinesh ji at flickr where the edges/tips of mericarps are clearly visible.
>>>> In both, the mericarps are less than 20. But, I can be wrong. If it is more
>>>> than 20, then it can't be A. indicum which I suggested earlier. So, we
>>>> still need to understand the characters clearly and we also need an
>>>> unambiguous key for this genus covering larger number of species.
>>>>
>>>> Vijay
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D.
>>>> Research Scientist
>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research
>>>> University of Mississippi, MS, USA
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:07 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good morning Dinesh Ji
>>>>> My count is about 25, not sure but certainly more than 20.
>>>>> So, let's wait for Vijayasankar Ji.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the upload. I get to learn something about *Abutilon*, just
>>>>> as you have said the efforts have helped knowing about abutilons a bit
>>>>> better.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> surajit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> About 26 or 28 Surajit ji.
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:25 PM, surajit koley <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Vijay Sir.
>>>>>>> Dinesh Ji, can you please check the number of carpels, which is
>>>>>>> still green in one of your photographs?
>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK Vijayasankar ji !!!! Thank you very much.
>>>>>>>> I think we worked hard :-) but the efforts have helped in knowing
>>>>>>>> about abutilons a bit better.
>>>>>>>> Will go with Abutilon indicum.
>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Vijayasankar <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dinesh ji,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The posted plant could be as simple as Abutilon indicum. The
>>>>>>>>> mericarps are acute (not rounded at tip), about 18 (20 or less) and 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> plant doesn't seem to have viscid hairs - all pointing to A. indicum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vijay
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D.
>>>>>>>>> Research Scientist
>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research
>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi, MS, USA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:18 AM, surajit koley <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you again Dinesh Ji.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Dinesh Valke <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yes Surajit ji ... colours in descriptions help in general
>>>>>>>>>>> identification. Variation in colours is quite possible. Thanks for 
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> clarity.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:14 PM, surajit koley <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Dinesh Ji, for everything and links.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to add that description and picture in
>>>>>>>>>>>> FloraKarnataka (or anywhere else) should not be taken as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> exhaustive. Vijay
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir has flower without "purple" base -
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/itKwnycckx8/sl-J3Mdmmv4J
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks to Anurag Ji as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Dinesh Valke <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many many thanks Surajit ji for all your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday night Anurag helped me with following links ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Abutilon hirtum*: herbarium
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20hirtum/P1010874.JPG>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | description
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20hirtum/245.pdf.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/field/Abutilon%20hirtum/Picture%20076.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Abutilon pannosum*: herbarium
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20pannosum/P1010873.JPG>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | description
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With all that you discussed and pointed out, I am convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the posted plant is not *A. pannosum*; it *must* be *A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hirtum*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks to Anurag too - especially for the herbarium of *A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannosum*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:07 AM, surajit koley <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning Dinesh Ji
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked myself the very question you have pointed out when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was examining the KEW herb. My another query was can dried up 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mericarps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a bit pointed tip? That is why I cannot rule out any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly said that maybe Roxburgh's plant is not the type 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now please check an old thread which was identified and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> placed under *Abutilon hirtum* (Lam.) Sweet in our database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/TRSEpDxNHCA/6Q8xOMWuu88J,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the picture of the original post but pic no. Abutilon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indicum is it I2 IMG_5261.jpg and series.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Dinesh Valke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Anurag for your upload of possible *A. pannosum. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *(Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not *pannosum* - mericarps do not appear rounded at top,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the calyx is relatively very short).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Surajit ji, had seen the KEW herbarium image. Many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for pointing to the link and for elaborating the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My naive query:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that herbarium contain a fruit that was fully matured
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and dried up naturally on the plant ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) the mericarps could assume different shape as they dry up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - thus would seem higher than the calyx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the calyx when drying tend to re-curve; would appear of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lesser dimension than that seen in a tender fruit - as can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first pic of the posted plant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much said - the posted plant may be different; some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species other than *indicum* AND *pannosum*. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:38 PM, surajit koley <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh Ji,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You must have already viewed the only herbarium of *A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannosum* in KEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000659530>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. The fruit is not clear there. So, it is hard to tell. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree that *A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indicum* has more prominent beaks. However, Roxburgh noted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Capsules about twenty, nearly as high as the calyx, in a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verticel, very downy, reniform, equally rounded at each end, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinguishes it immediately from *S. indica* and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *asiatica*...."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely, Roxburgh's plant is not the type species of *Abutilon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannosum*, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the same time my record of *Abutilon indicum* is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different, not like yours one in this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Dinesh Valke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Surajit ji for all the efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had posed the query because mericarps of the posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plant are not well-pointed as I remember to have seen for *A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indicum*, but my observation does not take care of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility of variances in pointedness. Was disappointed to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find almost no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture of *A. pannosum*'s fruit on internet - thus not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure whether the fruit is globose as described OR seemingly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:17 PM, surajit koley <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Dinesh Ji, the problem is FoP recognizes both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *muticum*, with different author citation, and *pannosum*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roxburgh's plant has fruit both top and bottom rounded. It 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the top of your mericarps are not exactly rounded. But at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same time I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also understand that what Roxburgh recorded in writing may 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different with the real thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, Roxburgh's plant is not the only species which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is synonymous with *A. pannosum*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, finally I never reject probability. I just don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, agreed Surajit ji with all your points.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, surajit koley <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Garg Sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - I have seen only one *Abutilon* and that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    *indicum*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - After going through lit. and efloras I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    clear pictures of fruits, stipules, etc are necessary 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to id species level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    of this genus which I miss in this thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Flora of India, vol3 (BSI) recognizes *pannosum* but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    doesn't recognize *muticum*;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    *;* or are they synonymous?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Roxburgh's *Sida tomentosa* is synonymous with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Abutilon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    muticum* G. Don of FBI, maybe synonymous with *S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    pannosum 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000659530>*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the fruit description of Roxburgh's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plant, in FI, matches with the fruit picture in this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread. Neither the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same FI description matches with other posts identified in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our database.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:39 AM, J.M. Garg <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for validation please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efi page on Abutilon pannosum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-pannosum>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 20 February 2015 at 18:57
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216131] along KSH 34 between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malamba & Gundolli :: Abutilon pannosum FOR VALIDATION :: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DVFEB47/80
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: along KSH34 Malamba & Gundolli]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F15962692663&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzekde88pkb7cBA1u24KlyW8HEVjHQ>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along Karnataka State Highway No. 34 ... between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malamba & Gundolli
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date*: 15 OCT 2011 ... *Altitude*: about 640 m asl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Abutilon* ¿ *pannosum* ? ... (family: Malvaceae)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shrub, about 1 m height; flower about 30 mm across,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fruit about 15 mm across.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While it looks like the mericarps are not beaked, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure whether they are round enough to look like the ones 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at Western
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desert Flora
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwesterndesertflora.geolab.cz%2Fherbarium%2FAbutilon_pannosum.php&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzegB3MlG4goXH1KytNL30j4SsU-MA>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257258369&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzff8a48gkP9wnYhW3ArQe4fwYW4Ag>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257260471&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfQFAPWqZZIl4HVxm53LZIJcMJXEg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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