Dear Garg ji Thenn as mentioned by Gurcharan ji it should be first record from the valley However leaves are more than 1 cm broad at base Règards Taffazull
On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 12:56:17 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: > In view of the detailed discussions and descriptions in eFloras, I think > it should be *Lactuca indica* only. > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 at 13:19, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Gurcharan ji, >> Thanks for your kind interest. Somehow I did not receive your email >> I am not an alumnus of KU >> Regarding the plant the leaves are 4-5 cm broad. Margins are entire but >> base has two toothed wings.(See photo) >> Achenes are white with 8 or more ribs. Beak is less than 1 mm long (See >> Photo) >> (All photos in this post are under CC License ;Attribution only required) >> Am grateful for your kind help in identifying this herb. >> Sincere regards >> Taffazull >> >> >> >> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 6:10:24 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: >> >>> Sorry Taffazul ji, I thought veins are prickly beneath >>> Please look for these characters >>> 1. leaves entire or rarely toothed, less than 1 cm broad in L. indica, >>> at least lower runcinate-pinnatifid with spinulose margin and midrib >>> beneath in L. serriola >>> 2. Leaves not clasping or weekly clasping at base L. indica, distinctly >>> clasping in L. serriola >>> 3. Achene beak less than 2 mm long L. indica, 3.5-5 mm long in L. >>> serriola >>> 4. Achene bodyl winged with one prominent rib on either side in L. >>> indica, not winged with 7-9 ribs on either side in L. serriola >>> >>> If it really turns out to be L. indica, It may be a new Record for >>> Kashmir, the species occurs between >>> Please compare with these links >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200024114 >>> https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=6256&type=4 >>> and for serriola >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242328083 >>> https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=6258&type=4 >>> >>> Please note that L. indica looks very similar to L. dolichophylla (syn: >>> L. longifolia DC of FBI) in which florets are blue and also as FBI writes: >>> Habit of L. Iongifolia and as tall, but the leaves are never >>> pinnatifid and want the sagittate base ; the achenes are quite different, >>> very flat, black, \ in. long, includ ing the beak, with one strong median >>> rib on each face and 4 more slender lateral ones on each side of the dorsal >>> face; the base of the beak is black in this (white in Ionat' J'olia); the >>> pappus is dirty-white or yellowish. Ligules pale yellow within, purplish >>> outside in Assam (Griffith), sulphur yellow in China (Ilance in litt.). >>> >>> Wish you best of luck >>> >>> I had written you privately but did not get response. I wanter to know >>> if you have done Botany M.Sc. from Kashmir University, and if so need your >>> WhatsApp number to add you to our Alumni Group. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:48 PM [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> According to a local villager Mr.Anwar its Kashmiri name is* Doodich >>>> Ghas *literally meaning grass with milk. >>>> This is exactly what *Lactuca *means in Latin. >>>> Regards >>>> Taffazull >>>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 4:45:47 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Gurcharan Ji, >>>>> Thanks for clarifying >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 4:41:44 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry Taffazul ji, I thought there are prickles on the midrib, >>>>>> Look for Lactuca sativa, the wild form. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:01 PM [email protected] < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Gucharan ji, >>>>>>> Thanks for ID >>>>>>> It is interesting that not only leaves are undivided but spines on >>>>>>> midrib are also absent. >>>>>>> I was under the misconception that spines on midrib are a >>>>>>> characteristic of L .serriola. >>>>>>> Thanks for clarifying >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 12:26:33 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think L. serriola only, leaves can be undivided sometimes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=121239&flora_id=2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 4:19:36 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Outer phyllary is 3mm ,middle about 5mm and inner about 7mm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/c6d1dc41-0eab-410b-a8d6-10640a86e661n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/c6d1dc41-0eab-410b-a8d6-10640a86e661n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ea39ff54-181c-4255-9fb3-4d7561dab79en%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ea39ff54-181c-4255-9fb3-4d7561dab79en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "eFloraofIndia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/507532d1-42bc-4192-a558-2ef0e67004a0n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/507532d1-42bc-4192-a558-2ef0e67004a0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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