Dear Saroj ji, Yes, it is, thank you very much for identifying and sharing ID links. Kind regards, Sam.
On Wed, 16 Jul, 2025, 4:38 pm Saroj Kumar Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: > *Thottea dalzellii *(Hook.fil.) Karthik. & Moorthy is *Thottea siliquosa > *(Lam.) > Ding Hou > > https://www.catalogueoflife.org/data/taxon/56L48 > https://www.gbif.org/species/7904278 > > Thank you > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, September 1, 2024 at 9:50:02 PM UTC+5:45 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:468789] 586 ID wild plant Thottea > To: JM Garg <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]> > > > Dear Garg ji, > Yes, we had a detailed discussion on it. > Thanks a lot dear Santosh ji. > With kind regards, Sam. > > On Sun, 1 Sept 2024, 9:17 pm J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Santhosh ji. > > On Sun, 1 Sept 2024 at 21:04, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: > > GargJi, > We had a long discussion with SamJi regarding the identity. We need to > study the specimen in detail. As of now, it is not similar to any known > species of the genus, but occasionally such kind of intermediate and > natural hybrids are found in this genus. So before coming to a conclusion, > I suggest SamJi to collect a few samples for a detailed study. > Similarly, many endemic species of south Indian Thottea are now appearing > in Sri Lanka also. There was only a single species reported from Sri Lanka, > ie Thottea siliquosa. But now T.ponmudiana, T.idukkiana, T.sivarajanii, T. > dalzellii etc are also found there. > > The genus Thottea becomes a mess of species owing to several > intermediate forms making the species delimitation a herculean task for the > taxonomists. I am working on it now. > Hope we can conclude the circumscription of several species shortly. > With kindest regards > Santhosh > > SANTHOSH > .......................................................................... > Dr. E S SANTHOSH KUMAR MSc, PhD, FIAT, FABSc, FLS > *Member: IUCN SSC Western Ghats Plant Specialist Group* > *Jawaharlal Nehru Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute > (JNTBG&RI),* > Palode, Karimancode P.O. > Thiruvananthapuram-695562 > Kerala, India > Mobile: +91 8547825373 > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Santhosh-Es > www.drsanthosh.wikifoundry.com <http://www.drsanthosh.wetpaint.com> > ORCID iD:-- https://orcid.org/0000-0003-2677-535X > Alternate Email id: [email protected] > > *Every day’s life is a Gift. Let us use it productively* > > > On Sun, 1 Sept 2024 at 17:10, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. > > Some earlier relevant feedback: > *Thottea siliquosa *(Lam.) Ding Hou ?? > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > It is more close to Thottea dalzellii. > > Thank you, Sam. > This is very interesting. I suppose the presence of several appendages > below the stigmatic lobes in your first photograph (IMG_3277) would qualify > this for *Thottea **dalzellii**.* From what I've understood, such > appendages are either absent or only occasional in *Thottea siliquosa*. > These two species are closely related and I don't have an extensive grasp > of all the finer differences between them yet. > Are all the flowers in your first batch of photographs from the very same > plant? I'm curious about the arrangement of stamens: *4+4+3 *in the first > three images as against the more common *3+3+3 *in the last image of the > partially-open flower (IMG_4853)*.* > Let's wait for Dr. Santhosh's views. > Best wishes, Viplav > > Thank you very much for the detailed discussions. The first three images > are of fully opened same flower (IMG 3277, 3276, 3273). Fourth image 4853 > was captured (available only one image) from nearby plant in 2023, just I > think it is same as T. idukkiana captured in 7.4.22 from another location. > With kind regards, Sam. > Thanks, Sam ji, for the clarification. Though the fourth image (IMG_4853) > is from a separate individual, it appears to be the same species as the > first three photographs. The number/arrangement of stamens can vary. > The tooth-like, pointy appendages (staminodes?) are similar in both the > specimens. The angle of the fourth photograph is not ideal to view these > projections but a few are visible nonetheless (marked & attached herewith). > > Best wishes, Viplav > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Sam Kuzhalanattu* <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 at 10:36 > Subject: [efloraofindia:468789] 586 ID wild plant Thottea > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > Please ID wild plant, kind regards, Sam. > > Location: bloomed near Vannappuram Thodupuzha Idukki Kerala INDIA > > Altitude: 1500fsl > > Flower date: 15AUG2024, 02.35pm > > Habitat: wild moisture evergreen misty sloppy canopied alpine > > Plant habit: big shrub, erect branches, hard woody cylindrical stem 07 > inches base circumference, rough brownish bark, perennial > > Height: 03 meters > > Leaves: alternate elongated/elliptic acute simple flexible glossy > aromatic, size upto: 25×8cm > > Flower: axillary buds, 03 tepals, purplish diameter:10mm, tomentose, non > fragrant > > Fruit: lengthy cylindrical beans purplish into brown, ridges size:12x0.6cm > > Seed: brown upto 10 nos.ovoid angular > Camera: CANON EOS1500D +FL10x > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkXgDST0boTKE556qbwfk1yQQfrCks1uojkKCQwZAd__2EnFA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkXgDST0boTKE556qbwfk1yQQfrCks1uojkKCQwZAd__2EnFA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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