*Echinacea pallida *(Nutt.) Nutt. ?? Thank you Saroj Kasaju
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 2021 at 8:08:45 AM UTC+5:45 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:387198] Echinacea Species for ID : Niagara Falls, New York : 26SEP19 : AK-12 To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Gurcharan Ji, Thanks for forwarding my earlier post from Niagara Falls. Hope to get the id sorted. Regards, Aarti On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 11:49 AM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Forwarding for ID Distributed as Echinacea simulata? <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/asteroideae/heliantheae/echinacea/echinacea-simulata> Group discussion at Echinacea Species for ID : Niagara Falls, New York : 26SEP19 : AK-12 (google.com) <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/_X0Wtu9lHvY> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 12:21:45 PM UTC+5:30 Aarti S. Khale wrote: Usha Di, Thanks for pointing out the differences in the two species. Will try searching further. Regards, Aarti On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 11:43 PM ushadi <[email protected]> wrote: I know of at least two Echinacae plants that have skinny (less than 5 cms wide ) leaves and flowers that look like this... ie similar.... to what what you have .... E. pallida and E. simulata. I don't remember your earlier submission but here ...in this case I cant see the pollen grain color that is the only way to differentiate Echinacea pallida from E. simulata I quote *"Key to Echinacea in North Carolina* Key adapted from Binns et al. (2002 <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/lit_cit.htm>), Urbatsch et al. (2006 <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/lit_cit.htm> [FNA]), and Weakley (2008 <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/lit_cit.htm>). Photos by Krings, unless otherwise indicated. Maps courtesy of USDA PLANTS and the North Carolina Natural Heritage Program. 1. Leaves lanceolate to ovate, the larger > 5 cm wide...2.2. Leaves glabrous on both sides, or scabrous above; receptacle bracts (paleae) 7–12 mm long, awns about a fourth the length of the entire bract...*E. laevigata** *[image: Echinacea laevigata] * <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_complete.jpg> *[image: Echinacea laevigata habitat]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_1812_lect.JPG> *Habitat of Echinacea laevigata (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea laevigata basal leaves]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_1830_lect.JPG> *[image: Echinacea laevigata stem closeup]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_1815_lect.JPG> *[image: Echinacea laevigata leaf closeup]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_1816_lect.JPG> *[image: Echinacea laevigata]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_1829_lect.JPG> *Echinacea laevigata (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea laevigata]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_1813_lect.JPG> *Echinacea laevigata (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea laevigata]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_laevigata_6626_lect.JPG> *Echinacea laevigata (Photo: Krings)* *Echinacea laevigata*(rare [Fed E, S1 G2]; glades and woodlands over mafic or calcareous substrates; Pd; summer to fall) * 2'. Leaves pubescent or scabrous on both sides; receptacle bracts (paleae) 9–15 mm long, awns about half the length of the entire bract...*E. purpurea* *[image: Echinacea purpurea] * <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_complete.jpg> *[image: Echinacea purpurea]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_Krings1.jpg> *Echinacea purpurea (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea purpurea]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_Krings2.jpg> *Echinacea purpurea (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea purpurea]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_Krings3.jpg> *Echinacea purpurea (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea purpurea]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_Krings4.jpg> *Echinacea purpurea (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea purpurea]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_Krings5.jpg> *Echinacea purpurea (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea purpurea]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_Krings6.jpg> *Echinacea purpurea (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea purpurea]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_purpurea_Krings7.jpg> *Echinacea purpurea (Photo: Krings)* *Echinacea purpurea(rare [State SC-V, S1 G4]; roadsides and woodlands, sometimes spreading from cultivation; Mt, Pd) * 1'. Leaves lanceolate to linear, the larger < 5 cm wide...3. 3. Fresh pollen white...*E. pallida* *[image: Echinacea pallida] * <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/Echinacea_pallida_complete.jpg> *[image: Echinacea pallida]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/echinacea_pallida_Krings_lvs.jpg> *Narrow leaves of Echinacea pallida (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea pallida]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/echinacea_pallida_Krings_lf.jpg> *Narrow leaf of Echinacea pallida (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea pallida]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/echinacea_pallida_Krings_lf_surface.jpg> *Abaxial leaf surface of Echinacea pallida (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea pallida]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/echinacea_pallida_Krings_stem.jpg> *Echinacea pallida (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea pallida]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/echinacea_pallida_Krings_fl.jpg> *Echinacea pallida (Photo: Krings)* *[image: Echinacea pallida]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/echinacea_pallida_Krings_fl2.jpg> *[image: Echinacea pallida]* <https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/images/echinacea_pallida_Krings_pollen1.jpg> * Echinacea pallida(rare [SR-D; perhaps introduced? Additional study needed]; roadsides; Pd, Mt)See note under E. simulata. * 3'. Fresh pollen pale to bright yellow...*E. simulata* " end quote...from URL https://projects.ncsu.edu/cals/plantbiology/ncsc/rare/echinacea.htmgo to this web page and use the + sign to look at the picturesso unless we see the pollenits either E. pallida or it is E. simulata. *not any further * Regards Ushadi On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:36 PM Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for validating Saroj Ji. Regards, Aarti On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 8:45:43 PM UTC+4, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: Seems correct ! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:01 PM Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> wrote: Echinacea Species seen near the Niagara Falls. Could be Echinacea simulata? It was evening time, and I couldn't get better pictures. Aarti -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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