Thank you, Saroj ji, for providing the latest accepted name of this species.
With regards, Surajit Koley On Thu, 16 Oct, 2025, 12:59 pm Saroj Kumar Kasaju, <[email protected]> wrote: > *Now : **Torenia anagallis *(Burm.fil.) Wannan, W.R.Barker & Y.S.Liang > https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77201456-1 > > Thank you > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 at 11:53:42 PM UTC+5:45 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:164126] Ilysanthes hyssopioides Benth. ??? > To: JM Garg <[email protected]> > Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, [email protected] < > [email protected]>, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>, PUTTARAJU > K <[email protected]>, [email protected] <[email protected]>, > Prashant > <[email protected]>, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > > > This is *Torenia diffusa* Roxb., a complex of *Vandellia*, *Bonnaya, > Torenia*!!! Thanks to friend from Bangladesh. > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:04 AM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Is my plant then *Gratiola parviflora* Roxb.? > The leaves seem to be penninerved (not clear in the photographs, at all). > So, can it be *Lindernia anagallis* (N. L. Burman) Pennell? > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > A number of pictures of *Torenia thouarsii* (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze can > be found in - http://www.tropicos.org/name/29201882. So, my plant can not > be *Torenia **thouarsii* (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze, neither *Torenia > parviflora* (description can be found in FoC or FBI) as have been > identified in the blog from Bangladesh > <http://icwow.blogspot.in/2012/11/small-wishbone-flower-torenia-thouarsii.html> > . > > There are herbarium images of various *Gratiola* in the Linnean org. - > http://linnean-online.org/view/type/specimen/Gratiola.html, e.g. - > > - *Gratiola hyssopioides* - 1)http://linnean-online.org/251/ 2) > http://linnean-online.org/252/ 3)http://linnean-online.org/33086/ > - *Gratiola lobelioides* - 1)http://linnean-online.org/33090/ 2) > http://linnean-online.org/33092/ > > I think, those two herbarium of *G. lobelioides* show *globose capsules* > and plants different from what we have in eFI !!! > On the other hand herbarium of *G. hyssopioides* above very similar to > the plant, *Lindernia hyssopioides* (L.) Haines of eF > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg> > !!! > > *Now, who or what is correct? And what about Giby Sir's bearded stamens?* > > *And also what about flower to leaf ratio, as in > - http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/264031 > <http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/264031>?* > > *Sorry, Vijay Sir and Giby Sir. you may be quite correct.* > > It turns out that my plant is neither *hyssopioides* nor *lobelioides*! > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > One person, seemingly from Bangladesh, has a plant that looks similar to > my plant in this thread. He identifies it as *Torenia* - > http://icwow.blogspot.in/2012/11/small-wishbone-flower-torenia-thouarsii.html, > which i do not think is correct at all! > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:57 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > One more thing i would like to add that i never mentioned "Haines" in this > discussion so far. Attaching entries from Dr. Haines. It is to be noted Dr. > Haines used* "comb. nov.*". > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:40 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > Let's skip the ID of this plant, in this thread, for the time being. > Instead, I try to figure out what is *Dopatrium lobelioides* Benth. > > We have two posts in eFI > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/p/plantaginaceae/dopatrium/dopatrium-lobelioides> > - > 1) Prshant Ji - > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/LdPWfBFjKK4 > 2) Dinesh Ji - > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/kkMwF8g8WaE and > there is Flickr a/c - > http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Dopatriumlobelioides&w=91314344@N00&m=tags&z=m > There is a 3rd post. by me, irrelevant here, i have already posted > info-plates in this thread. > > One more time i paste the url of what efI has labelled as *Ilysanthes > hyssopioides* (L.) Benth > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/linderniaceae/lindernia/lindernia-hyssopoides>. > - https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg. > > I pray Puttaraju Ji's permission for modifying (magnifying) part of his > uploaded photographs. And i attach the same herewith. I also attach > relevant entries from Icones and Flora Indica (on *Gratiola lobelioides*). > > The DATA I find from all these documents (excluding illustrations plates > of Icones, Coromandel) - > > - I am skipping leaf and capsule descriptions, because there are > plenty space to form misconceptions from conflicting data in those > descriptions > - peduncles axillary (Roxb.); long peduncled (Roxb.); pedicels > capillary (Hooker); longish pedicelled (Wight) > - corolla nearly *5 times* the length of the calyx (*against* *3 or 4 > times* in *Bonnaya hissopioides* Benth,) > - as for globose capsule, it is not clear if *"*IMG_8549.jpg" > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/LdPWfBFjKK4> of > Prashnt Ji's post > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/LdPWfBFjKK4> is > a capsule; if it is a capsule, i think, we can see same in the modified > photo of Pottaraju Ji's post > - even blue markings on corolla are very similar in all the posts > discussed here; we can ignore the color blue or purplish. > > The post at > https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg is > surely *Dopatrium lobelioides* Benth. (assuming Dinesh Ji's and Prashant > Ji's posts are correctly identified, though have some doubt over one > photograph in Dinesh Ji's post). > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Sorry, missed plate 203. > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > The problem is manifold to me for this plant, rather the issue of " > *hyssopioides*". > > There are- > > 1. *Ilysanthes hyssopioides* Benth., backed by illustrations (a) plate > 203 of Coromandel Plants and (b) 857 of Icones > 2. *Gratiola hyssopioides* of plate 128 of Coromandel Plants, along > with plate 859 of Icones Plantarum > > And there are descriptions as well as illustrations- > > 1. CP plate 128 = FBI *Dopatrium lobelioides* Benth., having *globose > capsule* = *Gratiola hyssopioides* of Flora Indica. i. 141., having > *linear-oblong > capsule* > 2. the plant, > https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg, > referred by Garg Sir in this thread, *looks more like plate 128* > (Coromandel Plants) to me > > Relevant plates are attached herewith. > > Thank you > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. > > Some earlier relevant feedback: > > efi page on Lindernia hyssopoides > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/l/linderniaceae/lindernia/lindernia-hyssopoides> > (Syn: *Ilysanthes* *hyssopioides* (L.) Benth. > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29208146>) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *surajit koley* <[email protected]> > Date: 1 September 2013 14:02 > Subject: [efloraofindia:164126] Ilysanthes hyssopioides Benth. ??? > To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> > > > This plant, recorded on 12-May-2013. somehow got deleted from my memory > till this morning! 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