*Clematis buchananiana *DC.?? https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2452267571 https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1576157761
Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:20 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > You may have a different opinion what I personally think. In fact > different members may have different opinions about what efi is ? > I can say at personal level that we are on a Wikipedia type work for > efloraofindia. It certainly is littered with mistakes. We have many > observations for a single species since we started more than 10 years ago. > There may be many observations which are correct and may be many others > which are not correct, under a single species. We are not botanists but a > mixture of people from diverse backgrounds including a few from Botany > background. Of course many experts/ knowledgeable individuals like you are > coming forward to help us. > I can only say that we are improving year after year & it may even take > another decade, when we can say that most of our observations are correct. > But that does not mean that we should not move in a direction, we are > moving in. > We do not ban postings (just because of incomplete observations) as > sometimes incomplete observations may also have something in that or > experts from the area may be able to identify them. If not properly > identified, they remain like that unidentified. There is no harm. There are > many instances when some members started like that, but later improved a > lot with detailed postings. Members are our assets as are our experts, > although we do not pay anything to them. What we can do is to encourage > them for all their energy, money and time spent in this endvour. > Members are free to give the id if they can, based on their respective > requirements of postings, knowledge etc. If one feels that information > furnished in not sufficient, he can say so or not reply at all against that > post. They many be other posts where there may be sufficient details for > them to reply with confidence. > > > > On 21 December 2017 at 08:57, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Saroj >> >> You certainly like to make it difficult to identify a plant. You have >> ignored what I advised about taking many more images per specimen of a >> range of parts of the plant, which would greatly help the identification >> process, providing a reference for future users of efI. You only >> photographed the fruits of this Clematis plus a leaflet (albeit an >> underneath shot as well) but not leaf nor base of leaves where they meet >> stem nor habit, nor habitat.. It is like being asked to say what is the >> picture in a jigsaw puzzle, with most of the important pieces missing. >> >> How can I help, when my advice is not followed? I have been >> ignored/dismissed. >> >> I have repeated my advice many times. Why should I continue? I bang my >> head against a brick-wall...... >> >> *I* but not many others, could probably come up with a likely >> identification of this Clematis from just what you have provided but why >> should I go to all the effort and trouble, when you will not set an example >> for others to follow? And continue to make it much more difficult and >> time-consuming. >> >> *It is quality not quantity which counts. What is the good of being the >> 'largest' data-base of a particular category, if this data-base contains >> the 'largest' number of misidentified species?* >> >> Without a strictly limited number of individuals like myself, with unique >> knowledge either of genera or regional floras, efI will continue to be >> littered with *misidentified* images. >> >> I have spent (and largely wasted) more than 30 years building up what >> appears to be an-rivalled level of knowledge of Himalayan flora as a whole, >> particularly flora >> of the NW Himalaya, yet despite "bending over backwards" offering to >> help, free-of-charge, Indian botanists, not one has shown any interest. I >> recollect approaching the then Director of the Botanical Survey of India >> (in the mid-1980s) offering to jointly collaborate with Indian botanists on >> an up-to-date flora for Ladakh - I was told that this was for 'Indian' >> botanists. Well, I have patiently waited for more than 30 years, yet no >> such flora has been forthcoming. >> >> I worked hard, in serious ill-health, from September 2016 to March 2017, >> attempting to advise eFI, yet I was completely ignored (not to >> mention insulted by a senior figure). >> >> We have an expression in the UK, "You can take a horse to water, but you >> cannot make it drink". Senior figures in eFI are "in denial" - unwilling >> to listen. >> >> It makes no sense for me to continue. On 29th September Mr Garg posted: >> >> Sh. Chris Chadwell - Thanks for his wonderful contributions. >> >> Dear members, >> As and when I encounter his threads while updating efi site, it is a >> pleasant feeling to be associated with him for a while. It always reminds >> me of his wonderful contributions & guidance for building of efloraofindia. >> I knew that he was in great pain and despite that he contributed a lot. >> Although he is no longer with us, but his name will always remain *etched >> in efloraofindia* >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/about-us/subject-experts> & >> in the memory of our members & others who get benefitted in future due to >> his contributions. >> >> *When I first read this, sounding, if it had been posted in the UK, that >> I had actually "passed away" i.e. was dead, I smiled and noted the >> complimentary comments. Perhaps it would be like reading an obituary or >> words read at a funeral, which are always positive. Were they really >> meant? The telling fact is that not one member posted as a follow-up. It >> would be reasonable to conclude that efI as a whole would prefer I did >> 'depart'. The only smart course of action for me is to comply with this >> sentiment.* >> >> *FAIR ENOUGH, eFI has chosen to throw away, not only the >> once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to improve (which it urgently needs to) and >> move up to 'international'* *standards but even more.* >> >> *I cannot beat those in denial....... So this will be my final post. >> What a waste.* >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:59:09 AM UTC, Saroj Kumar Kasaju >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Members, >>> >>> Location: Nagarkot, Nepal >>> Date: 12 December 2017 >>> Altitude: 6800 ft. >>> >>> Clematis ... ! ??? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2800 members & 2,65,000 messages on 31.3.17) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 2,50,000 images). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytRZFYib_k_N4mEcESD8xUh8V99vd8xZMAYfO0iwZySDmA%40mail.gmail.com.
