I guess this is *Sida rhombifolia* L. 

Thank you
Saroj Kasaju

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 at 10:44:40 PM UTC+5:45
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:128413] Sida rhombifolia L. (?) from Hooghly
To: Neil Soares <[email protected]>
Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>


Neil Sir,

I also noticed *Sida rhombifolia* L. var. retusa, in the net. To make the 
matter more confusing Flora of China has four varieties of *Sida alnifolia*!

Too complicated to me.

Thank you very much for taking care and elaborating on Sida.

Regards,

surajit



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,
 To complicate matters further.....
 
Dr. Almeida in his 'Flora of Maharashtra' classifies this as Sida 
rhombifolia L.var retusa [Linn.] Masters.
  
                     With regards,
                        Neil Soares.

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From: surajit koley <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:128413] Sida rhombifolia L. (?) from Hooghly
To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]>
Cc: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 7:15 PM

Neil Sir, 

I understand that my species is Sida retusa, not S. rhombifolia. You know 
it much better than me. Please, tell me, of the followings, which one is 
correct -

   1. *Sida retusa = Sida rhombifolia* L. 
   2. *Sida retusa* L. = *Sida alnifolia* var. *alnifolia* 
   3. *Sida retusa* is not connected to any of the above

Thank you & Regards,

surajit


On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> 
wrote:

You are most welcome Surajit. Sending you some of my more recent 
photographs of Sida retusa.
                     With regards,
                       Neil Soares.

--- On *Tue, 9/4/12, surajit koley <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>* 
wrote:


From: surajit koley <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:128413] Sida rhombifolia L. (?) from Hooghly
To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
Cc: "efloraofindia" <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 6:29 PM

Neil Sir, 

The images of *Sida retusa* (your uploads - 
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/wildflowerindia/Y7Lyh4_z5tg/discussion) 
do perfectly match with herbarium found at - 
http://ww2.bgbm.org/herbarium/view_large.cfm?SpecimenPK=151598&idThumb=378002&SpecimenSequenz=1&loan=0

I thought my pics resemble with the herbarium at - 
http://ww2.bgbm.org/herbarium/view_large.cfm?SpecimenPK=151592&idThumb=377939&SpecimenSequenz=1&loan=0.
 But 
my inexperienced eyes and lack of knowledge are very likely to deceive me.

Thank you very much for the correct id of this Sida.

Regards,

surajit



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Neil Soares <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> 
wrote:

Hi,
 Affirmative. This is Sida retusa. [Don't go by the leaves at the top of 
the plant. Check the leaves lower down]. As Dr.Almeida explained to me when 
I posed the same questions to him - retusa means 'cut' - its as if someone 
has abruptly cut the leaves. Whereas in Sida rhombifolia, the leaves are 
rhomboid.
                        With regards,
                          Neil Soares.

--- On *Tue, 9/4/12, surajit koley <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>* 
wrote:


From: surajit koley <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:128413] Sida rhombifolia L. (?) from Hooghly
To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
Cc: "efloraofindia" <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 12:07 AM

Neil Sir, 

Though my flowers differ with your picture of *S. rhombifolia* at - 
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/cWZmjt6gng0/discussion, i 
think my leaves differ with that of your images of *S. retusa* leaves at - 
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/wildflowerindia/Y7Lyh4_z5tg/discussion.

Besides, the following websites informs *S. retusa = S, rhombifolia* L. or *S. 
rhombifolia* L. subsp. *rhombifolia* - 

   1. http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?33900
   2. 
   
http://keys.trin.org.au/key-server/data/0e0f0504-0103-430d-8004-060d07080d04/media/Html/taxon/Sida_rhombifolia.htm
   3. http://www.anbg.gov.au/common.names/
   
On the other hand The Plant List informs -

   1. *Sida retusa* L. is a synonym of *Sida alnifolia* var. *alnifolia* - 
   http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-19601817 
   2. more synonyms of the above - 
   http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-19603576

I am confused. Attaching one more photographs, a larger one, for your 
perusal.

Regards,

surajit



On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> 
wrote:

Hi,
 Negative. This is Sida retusa. Please check these links for my photographs 
and our previous discussion on this :
 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!search/Sida$20retusa$20Neil$20Soares/wildflowerindia/Y7Lyh4_z5tg/GuQwons9sIIJ
 

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!search/Sida$20retusa$20Neil$20Soares/indiantreepix/cWZmjt6gng0/oAjbrJq0bCUJ
 
                       With regards,
                         Neil Soares.
 

--- On *Mon, 9/3/12, surajit koley <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>* 
wrote:


From: surajit koley <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
Subject: [efloraofindia:128413] Sida rhombifolia L. (?) from Hooghly
To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
Date: Monday, September 3, 2012, 10:54 PM

Sir, 

I hope this is *Sida rhombifolia L.*, the Bengali name of which has been 
stated as LAL-BERELA in the book, Plant Groups, by H. Mukherji.

Species : *Sida rhombifolia* L. ?
Habit & Habitat : wild herb, about 2 feet, found on roadside, pictures were 
taken from two individual plants at the same place
Date : 01/09/12 & 03/09/12
Place : Kamarkundu (Hooghly)

Thank you & Regards,

surajit

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