Sorry for the grammatical mistake :(. Pankaj
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Well said Pankaj ji > Bottomline is: > > TAKE MULTIPLE PICTURES FROM MULTIPLES ANGLES. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Two types of person take pictures of plants, either they are botanists >> who know the key characters (including non-botanists who also know the >> key characters) and then there are nature lovers (professionally >> non-botanists :( ) who just like anything related to nature including >> plants. >> >> Then there are always two ways by which you take photographs. >> >> Firstly you go for a trek and you are too busy with the trek that you >> cant spend enough time taking a good photographs. >> Secondly, you go out in search of a plant you find it and take lovely >> photographs. >> >> In either of the two cases you tend to miss important characters >> though you may take an excellent picture of whatever you take. For >> example, many closeup pictures in Flowers of Shayadri is too good, but >> they tend to miss important characters, though they were taken with >> the intention of publishing. >> >> Then there are chances when you miss taking good pictures because you >> dont realise that the plant you are photographing could be some very >> rare or interesting species. My boss, Dr. Rawat (who has traveled in >> Himalaya and across country a lot) whenever looks at good pictures of >> others, says that he doesnt have his own good picture of that >> particular species, though he has seen it so often. And I always tell >> him that, its just because he is too busy with other things in the >> trek that he tends to miss them. >> >> Solution is very simple, that is to take multiple picture of same >> plant from different angles and for sure experts will find ways out to >> find the clues from multiple pics. You all have digital cameras and it >> doesnt charge you to take multiple pics. Just for the information for >> my PhD I always relied on my filmroll camera, and many wont believe >> that in almost four years I had taken two trunks (big ones) of >> pictures, more than 5000 pics. Then I digitised the important ones in >> almost 20 days......but STILL I did miss some good angles. >> >> >> Bottomline is: >> >> TAKE MULTIPLE PICTURES FROM MULTIPLES ANGLES. >> >> Pankaj >> >> PS: I burnt those two trunks during Holika Dahan this year. But I do >> have the negatives :P.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Janaki ji, Gurcharan ji, and all friends, >> > >> > Whatever be our problems, the fact remains that more photographs are >> > always >> > better than just one OR two !!! >> > My thoughts were put in a lighter vein highlighting the possible >> > situations >> > which leads all of us to default on what we want. >> > >> > The request has been put several times by many of us. >> > Me too joining in requesting each of us to capture as many photographs >> > of a >> > plant ... it is a sure help for ID. >> > >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:39 AM, JANAKI TURAGA <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Dineshji, >> >> thank you for pointing out the problems in plant photography. >> >> i too face problems in capturing more images of a plant for >> >> identification >> >> and one of the reasons often for me is lack of memory space in my >> >> camera, >> >> and strong wind factor. >> >> It is for these and other reasons-i am sure other members would list >> >> their >> >> own problems, that I have asked for images that would help in >> >> identifying a >> >> plant. >> >> For me this would help in focusing on the important aspects related to >> >> identification of the plant and in choosing what to photograph! >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Janaki Turaga >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ... my own thoughts: >> >>> >> >>> ... this is a kind of Catch-22 situation for me !!! >> >>> >> >>> While would like more pictures for a good attempt at identifying the >> >>> plant from all members (including me) ... there are more times that I >> >>> have >> >>> found capturing poor and precious shots in at least 2 major >> >>> circumstances: >> >>> >> >>> 1) suddenly realizing that the drizzle is no more a drizzle ... and >> >>> find >> >>> rain drops in dangerous positions on my camera !! >> >>> 2) there is no more time for any captures ... "a cruel decision often >> >>> made by friends accompanying me" ... and then coincidentally Mother >> >>> Nature >> >>> starts throwing her charms !! >> >>> >> >>> Regards. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:56 AM, JANAKI TURAGA >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Gurcharanji, >> >>>> good post, would be more useful if it is demonstrated with >> >>>> photos provided with each each view that is required for >> >>>> identification. >> >>>> kind regards >> >>>> Janaki Turaga >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have often been writing on the need for structures other than >> >>>>> flower >> >>>>> upper view for proper identification. Last few days we have seen >> >>>>> this more >> >>>>> often. Yesterday I saw a photograph sent by Ritesh ji, which I just >> >>>>> passed >> >>>>> off as some member of Caryophyllaceae, and was just about to write >> >>>>> Arenaria >> >>>>> sp. when I thought of checking it. I downloaded the picture to my >> >>>>> desktop, >> >>>>> magnified it using my phot editor and was surprised to find plant >> >>>>> with >> >>>>> alternate leaves which are somewhat circuluar with cut margins. It >> >>>>> took me >> >>>>> some more time to identify it as Saxifraga sibirica, and hope >> >>>>> identification >> >>>>> turns correct. A simple web photo does not show any of these. >> >>>>> I again request that members who especially go out on >> >>>>> photography >> >>>>> trips should bring back at least three snaps: photograph of twig >> >>>>> with >> >>>>> inflorescence and insertion of leaves and their shape; a top view of >> >>>>> flower >> >>>>> to show petals, stamens and carpels; and a side view of flower to >> >>>>> show bract >> >>>>> (if any), calyx and other features. I think with these three >> >>>>> photographs, >> >>>>> identification would be a much simpler process. Any additional snaps >> >>>>> are >> >>>>> always a bonus. In many plants basal leaves and upper leaves are >> >>>>> different, >> >>>>> and always helpful in identification. So is fruit if available. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >> >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> *********************************************** >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> Research Associate >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >> Department of Habitat Ecology >> Wildlife Institute of India >> Post Box # 18 >> Dehradun - 248001, India > > > > -- *********************************************** "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
