Yes Pankaj ji It is all the more so for me, since i came to California I found a Rubus sp. commonly known here as Himalayan blackberry, and is believed the seeds where brought here in about 1885 and had been identified as R. procerus Muller (is a distinct species now correctly known as R. praecox Bertol a European species) or R. discolor (a synonym of R. ulmifolius) but it is now known that this Himalayan Blackberry is correctly known as R. armeniacus.
http://www.ou.edu/cas/botany-micro/ben/ben230.html I have two distinct species with me to account for, one clearly R. ulmofolius with pruinose stem, thicker leaves (R. discolor in FBI) and one similar to R. armeniacus found as I wrote earlier in Manali, Nainital and Kashmir. with leaves larger than plant uploaded by Garg ji and with much lighter coloured flowers. Two species to sort amongst the following: R. ulmifolius (almost settled as plant is distinct), R. hypagyrus, R. mesogaeus, R. praecox and R. armeniacus. Perhaps if I find a key to these taxa it may help. Hortus Third, which I initially thought would be useful is no help. It just gives a few characters but no key. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks so much for sharing this. It becomes more confusing when you > learn more about some plant :)). > Pankaj > > > On Dec 7, 1:51 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes Pankaj ji, it could be. According to GRIN R. hypagyrus should replace > R. > > niveus Wall. because R. lasiocarpus Sm. ir correctly R. niveus Thunb. It > > seems R. hypagyrus has several varieties (like R. niveus Wall in FBI). > Would > > be interesting to know which variety this one is. Similar plant growing > in > > Manali, Nainital, Kashmir is evidently different with larger leaflets > > (terminal often reaching 6-8 cm) and whtish ti light pink flowers > whereas > > R. viveus var. hypagyrus (according to FBI) has 1.5-2.5 cm cm long > leaflets. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can this be Rubus hypargyrus? > > > Pankaj > > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > Rubus sp., perhaps one of the R. fruticosus complex > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > > Retired Associate Professor > > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:10 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around > > > >> 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.). > > > > > >> -- > > > >> With regards, > > > >> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > > > >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > > > >> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand > species & > > > >> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > > > >> alphabetically & place-wise): > > > >>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also > use > > > them > > > >> for free as per liberal licensing conditions attached with each > image. > > > >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian > > > Flora, > > > >> please visit/ join our Google e-group- > > > >> Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix(morethan > > > 1420 > > > >> members & 52,000 messages on 26/10/10 & with a database of around > 4200 > > > >> species on 30/9/10) > > > > > -- > > > *********************************************** > > > "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > > > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > > > Research Associate > > > Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > > > Department of Habitat Ecology > > > Wildlife Institute of India > > > Post Box # 18 > > > Dehradun - 248001, India >
