Thanks for literature, may be it helps -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > 2 & 3 may be of some use. I didnt check the text though. > Pankaj > > > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yes Pankaj ji > > It is all the more so for me, since i came to California I found a Rubus > sp. > > commonly known here as Himalayan blackberry, and is believed the seeds > where > > brought here in about 1885 and had been identified as R. procerus Muller > (is > > a distinct species now correctly known as R. praecox Bertol a European > > species) or R. discolor (a synonym of R. ulmifolius) but it is now known > > that this Himalayan Blackberry is correctly known as R. armeniacus. > > http://www.ou.edu/cas/botany-micro/ben/ben230.html > > > > I have two distinct species with me to account for, one clearly R. > > ulmofolius with pruinose stem, thicker leaves (R. discolor in FBI) and > one > > similar to R. armeniacus found as I wrote earlier in Manali, Nainital and > > Kashmir. with leaves larger than plant uploaded by Garg ji and with much > > lighter coloured flowers. Two species to sort amongst the following: R. > > ulmifolius (almost settled as plant is distinct), R. hypagyrus, R. > > mesogaeus, R. praecox and R. armeniacus. Perhaps if I find a key to these > > taxa it may help. Hortus Third, which I initially thought would be useful > is > > no help. It just gives a few characters but no key. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks so much for sharing this. It becomes more confusing when you > >> learn more about some plant :)). > >> Pankaj > >> > >> > >> On Dec 7, 1:51 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Yes Pankaj ji, it could be. According to GRIN R. hypagyrus should > >> > replace R. > >> > niveus Wall. because R. lasiocarpus Sm. ir correctly R. niveus Thunb. > It > >> > seems R. hypagyrus has several varieties (like R. niveus Wall in FBI). > >> > Would > >> > be interesting to know which variety this one is. Similar plant > growing > >> > in > >> > Manali, Nainital, Kashmir is evidently different with larger leaflets > >> > (terminal often reaching 6-8 cm) and whtish ti light pink flowers > >> > whereas > >> > R. viveus var. hypagyrus (according to FBI) has 1.5-2.5 cm cm long > >> > leaflets. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> > Retired Associate Professor > >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Pankaj Kumar > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Can this be Rubus hypargyrus? > >> > > Pankaj > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > Rubus sp., perhaps one of the R. fruticosus complex > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> > > > Retired Associate Professor > >> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > > >> > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:10 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria > >> > > >> (around > >> > > >> 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.). > >> > > >> > > >> -- > >> > > >> With regards, > >> > > >> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > >> > > >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > >> > > >> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand > >> > > >> species & > >> > > >> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged > >> > > >> alphabetically & place-wise): > >> > > >>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also > >> > > >> use > >> > > them > >> > > >> for free as per liberal licensing conditions attached with each > >> > > >> image. > >> > > >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of > Indian > >> > > Flora, > >> > > >> please visit/ join our Google e-group- > >> > > >> Efloraofindia: > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix(more > >> > > >> than > >> > > 1420 > >> > > >> members & 52,000 messages on 26/10/10 & with a database of around > >> > > >> 4200 > >> > > >> species on 30/9/10) > >> > > >> > > -- > >> > > *********************************************** > >> > > "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > >> > > >> > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >> > > Research Associate > >> > > Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > >> > > Department of Habitat Ecology > >> > > Wildlife Institute of India > >> > > Post Box # 18 > >> > > Dehradun - 248001, India > > > > > > > > > > -- > *********************************************** > "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Research Associate > Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > Department of Habitat Ecology > Wildlife Institute of India > Post Box # 18 > Dehradun - 248001, India >
