Pankaj ji I have initiated the idea -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > That will really be a nice effort from your side. > Best wishes. > Pankaj > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Pankaj ji > > It is a very good idea, and sure to catch up with students. These days > > digital photography being part of almost every mobile phone and even low > end > > digital cameras, teachers should ask students to take photographs of > > specific plants, give names (or make them identify using keys, books or > > otherwise), ask them to collect relevant information and submit this as > > report in printed form or preferably electronic version (power point, > slide > > show movie with relevant text and sound through move maker or other > suitable > > program) in place of Herbarium collection. > > The problem is how to sell this idea to educational authorities. All > of > > us can make some efforts. We have a botanyteachers yahoo group for Botany > > teachers of Delhi. There is move in last so many years to discontinue > plant > > collection. This is a good alternative. I will sell the idea there. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> I think authorities should urge students to take good pictures for > >> their reference which could be enough to prove that yes they saw and > >> studied the plant rather than everyone collecting and making > >> herbarium, UNLESS, the collection is done for research purpose. > >> > >> When I take students out, I usually explain the plants myself or give > >> them keys to identify, and dont tell anyone to collect, just take > >> pics. I do dissect 2-3 flowers to explain at times, if needed, > >> especially incase of orchids, when you need to show them the inner > >> parts. > >> > >> Pankaj > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > You are right! > >> > Still people (some, espl students) have the tendency of collecting > more > >> > number of samples of rare and threatened species. Because they think > >> > that > >> > they can not collect it again elsewhere so they want to collect as > much > >> > as > >> > possible (and sometimes howmuchever available in that place!). > Nepenthes > >> > khasiana is an another examples of species getting more threatened > owing > >> > to > >> > scientific collections. Their representation in the herbaria will be > >> > higher > >> > than in the living condition. The lab attenders and the heads of > Botany > >> > department in colleges and universities should think about it and make > >> > necessary steps to minimize the collection of these botanically > >> > curious and > >> > interesting species. > >> > > >> > Perhaps Gurcharan ji and Balkar ji may wish to throw more light on > this > >> > (serious) issue. > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> > Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. > >> > Post Doctoral Research Associate > >> > National Center for Natural Products Research > >> > Thad Cochran Research Center > >> > University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS 38677 > >> > Phone: +1 662 915 1018 > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] > > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> There is a recent article in current science by Dr. A K Bhatnagar > from > >> >> DU about unscrupulous collection of herbarium and plant specimens by > >> >> college students and he has specially mentioned about frequent trips > >> >> of DU botany students to Panchamarhi!!! > >> >> > >> >> Yes Vijay, we will go there sometimes when you are back at home in > >> >> India. > >> >> > >> >> Pankaj > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Vijayasankar < > [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Thank you all for sharing your personal experiences with Isoetes. > >> >> > Pankaj, i remembered your recent anecdote about Rumphius (!!!). > Don't > >> >> > worry, > >> >> > if you have missed, someone will publish all these plants soon!!! > and > >> >> > will > >> >> > honour you perhaps! (lol). > >> >> > Dear Gurcharan ji & Tanay, Pachmarhi is one of the places i always > >> >> > wanted to > >> >> > survey. Still awaiting for the opportunities! > >> >> > Regards > >> >> > > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. > >> >> > Post Doctoral Research Associate > >> >> > National Center for Natural Products Research > >> >> > Thad Cochran Research Center > >> >> > University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS 38677 > >> >> > Phone: +1 662 915 1018 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:12 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> i have also seen Isoetes in Panchmari and have also collected it > >> >> >> a few population grows around the Panchamri Lake which is a man > made > >> >> >> water body. > >> >> >> Tanay > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Pankaj Kumar > >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Very interestingly, I collected my only Isoetes in Ranchi and had > >> >> >>> it > >> >> >>> alive for few days in my aquarium thinking it to be some > >> >> >>> Vallisneria. > >> >> >>> But it died and after that I realised it was not a grass at all. > I > >> >> >>> hated the plant at that time.....why? dont know why, but all my > >> >> >>> fishes > >> >> >>> in the aquarium died in one night after I had planted this in the > >> >> >>> aquarium!! > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Then I think I missed my second Isoetes during my field work in > >> >> >>> Palamau district, this time an epiphytic one. God!! even Dr. > Aparna > >> >> >>> says, I have missed many new species, more than anyone else has > >> >> >>> even > >> >> >>> been able to describe. This was with reference to the fact that I > >> >> >>> have > >> >> >>> missed describing two new genera and two more new species of > >> >> >>> orchids!! > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> It could really have been a new species. > >> >> >>> Panchamarhi has been very famous for many plants which also > >> >> >>> includes, > >> >> >>> Psilotum nudum!! I imagine this Satpura hypothesis has something > >> >> >>> very > >> >> >>> unique about this area. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Thanks a lot for sharing. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Pankaj > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >>> > Vijayasankar ji > >> >> >>> > Thanks for sharing. We first saw this genus in Pachmarhi, but > >> >> >>> > unfortunately > >> >> >>> > there no digital cameras then, 30 years back. > >> >> >>> > -- > >> >> >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>> > Retired Associate Professor > >> >> >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >> >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >> >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:04 PM, mani nair < > [email protected]> > >> >> >>> > wrote: > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> Nice photo. looks similar to grass. > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM, tanay bose > >> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >>> >> wrote: > >> >> >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>> A great contrast Vijaya Ji > >> >> >>> >>> Tanay > >> >> >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Vijayasankar > >> >> >>> >>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >>> >>> wrote: > >> >> >>> >>>> > >> >> >>> >>>> Isoetus species (may be I. coromandelina). > >> >> >>> >>>> For non-botanists friends: this plant may look like a grass > or > >> >> >>> >>>> sedge > >> >> >>> >>>> but > >> >> >>> >>>> it belongs to a primitive group of plants 'pteridophyte'. It > >> >> >>> >>>> propagates > >> >> >>> >>>> through 'spores' and it doesn't know what flowers & fruits > >> >> >>> >>>> are! > >> >> >>> >>>> It > >> >> >>> >>>> prefers > >> >> >>> >>>> to grow in marshy habitats. > >> >> >>> >>>> > >> >> >>> >>>> Regards > >> >> >>> >>>> > >> >> >>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. > >> >> >>> >>>> Post Doctoral Research Associate > >> >> >>> >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research > >> >> >>> >>>> Thad Cochran Research Center > >> >> >>> >>>> University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS 38677 > >> >> >>> >>>> Phone: +1 662 915 1018 > >> >> >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >>> -- > >> >> >>> >>> Tanay Bose > >> >> >>> >>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. > >> >> >>> >>> Department of Botany. > >> >> >>> >>> University of British Columbia . > >> >> >>> >>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. > >> >> >>> >>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) > >> >> >>> >>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) > >> >> >>> >>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) > >> >> >>> >>> [email protected] > >> >> >>> >>> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> *********************************************** > >> >> >>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >> >> >>> Research Associate > >> >> >>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > >> >> >>> Department of Habitat Ecology > >> >> >>> Wildlife Institute of India > >> >> >>> Post Box # 18 > >> >> >>> Dehradun - 248001, India > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Tanay Bose > >> >> >> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. > >> >> >> Department of Botany. > >> >> >> University of British Columbia . > >> >> >> 3529-6270 University Blvd. > >> >> >> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) > >> >> >> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) > >> >> >> 604-822-2019 (Lab) > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> *********************************************** > >> >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >> >> Research Associate > >> >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > >> >> Department of Habitat Ecology > >> >> Wildlife Institute of India > >> >> Post Box # 18 > >> >> Dehradun - 248001, India > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *********************************************** > >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > >> > >> > >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >> Research Associate > >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > >> Department of Habitat Ecology > >> Wildlife Institute of India > >> Post Box # 18 > >> Dehradun - 248001, India > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > *********************************************** > "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Research Associate > Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > Department of Habitat Ecology > Wildlife Institute of India > Post Box # 18 > Dehradun - 248001, India >
