Hope things work out for the goodness of floristic wealth of India. Regards Pankaj
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Pankaj ji > I have initiated the idea > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> That will really be a nice effort from your side. >> Best wishes. >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Pankaj ji >> > It is a very good idea, and sure to catch up with students. These days >> > digital photography being part of almost every mobile phone and even low >> > end >> > digital cameras, teachers should ask students to take photographs of >> > specific plants, give names (or make them identify using keys, books or >> > otherwise), ask them to collect relevant information and submit this as >> > report in printed form or preferably electronic version (power point, >> > slide >> > show movie with relevant text and sound through move maker or other >> > suitable >> > program) in place of Herbarium collection. >> > The problem is how to sell this idea to educational authorities. All >> > of >> > us can make some efforts. We have a botanyteachers yahoo group for >> > Botany >> > teachers of Delhi. There is move in last so many years to discontinue >> > plant >> > collection. This is a good alternative. I will sell the idea there. >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I think authorities should urge students to take good pictures for >> >> their reference which could be enough to prove that yes they saw and >> >> studied the plant rather than everyone collecting and making >> >> herbarium, UNLESS, the collection is done for research purpose. >> >> >> >> When I take students out, I usually explain the plants myself or give >> >> them keys to identify, and dont tell anyone to collect, just take >> >> pics. I do dissect 2-3 flowers to explain at times, if needed, >> >> especially incase of orchids, when you need to show them the inner >> >> parts. >> >> >> >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > You are right! >> >> > Still people (some, espl students) have the tendency of collecting >> >> > more >> >> > number of samples of rare and threatened species. Because they think >> >> > that >> >> > they can not collect it again elsewhere so they want to collect as >> >> > much >> >> > as >> >> > possible (and sometimes howmuchever available in that place!). >> >> > Nepenthes >> >> > khasiana is an another examples of species getting more threatened >> >> > owing >> >> > to >> >> > scientific collections. Their representation in the herbaria will be >> >> > higher >> >> > than in the living condition. The lab attenders and the heads of >> >> > Botany >> >> > department in colleges and universities should think about it and >> >> > make >> >> > necessary steps to minimize the collection of these botanically >> >> > curious and >> >> > interesting species. >> >> > >> >> > Perhaps Gurcharan ji and Balkar ji may wish to throw more light on >> >> > this >> >> > (serious) issue. >> >> > Regards >> >> > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> > Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. >> >> > Post Doctoral Research Associate >> >> > National Center for Natural Products Research >> >> > Thad Cochran Research Center >> >> > University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS 38677 >> >> > Phone: +1 662 915 1018 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Pankaj Kumar >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a recent article in current science by Dr. A K Bhatnagar >> >> >> from >> >> >> DU about unscrupulous collection of herbarium and plant specimens by >> >> >> college students and he has specially mentioned about frequent trips >> >> >> of DU botany students to Panchamarhi!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes Vijay, we will go there sometimes when you are back at home in >> >> >> India. >> >> >> >> >> >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Vijayasankar >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Thank you all for sharing your personal experiences with Isoetes. >> >> >> > Pankaj, i remembered your recent anecdote about Rumphius (!!!). >> >> >> > Don't >> >> >> > worry, >> >> >> > if you have missed, someone will publish all these plants soon!!! >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > will >> >> >> > honour you perhaps! (lol). >> >> >> > Dear Gurcharan ji & Tanay, Pachmarhi is one of the places i always >> >> >> > wanted to >> >> >> > survey. Still awaiting for the opportunities! >> >> >> > Regards >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. >> >> >> > Post Doctoral Research Associate >> >> >> > National Center for Natural Products Research >> >> >> > Thad Cochran Research Center >> >> >> > University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS 38677 >> >> >> > Phone: +1 662 915 1018 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:12 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have also seen Isoetes in Panchmari and have also collected it >> >> >> >> a few population grows around the Panchamri Lake which is a man >> >> >> >> made >> >> >> >> water body. >> >> >> >> Tanay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Pankaj Kumar >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Very interestingly, I collected my only Isoetes in Ranchi and >> >> >> >>> had >> >> >> >>> it >> >> >> >>> alive for few days in my aquarium thinking it to be some >> >> >> >>> Vallisneria. >> >> >> >>> But it died and after that I realised it was not a grass at all. >> >> >> >>> I >> >> >> >>> hated the plant at that time.....why? dont know why, but all my >> >> >> >>> fishes >> >> >> >>> in the aquarium died in one night after I had planted this in >> >> >> >>> the >> >> >> >>> aquarium!! >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Then I think I missed my second Isoetes during my field work in >> >> >> >>> Palamau district, this time an epiphytic one. God!! even Dr. >> >> >> >>> Aparna >> >> >> >>> says, I have missed many new species, more than anyone else has >> >> >> >>> even >> >> >> >>> been able to describe. This was with reference to the fact that >> >> >> >>> I >> >> >> >>> have >> >> >> >>> missed describing two new genera and two more new species of >> >> >> >>> orchids!! >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> It could really have been a new species. >> >> >> >>> Panchamarhi has been very famous for many plants which also >> >> >> >>> includes, >> >> >> >>> Psilotum nudum!! I imagine this Satpura hypothesis has something >> >> >> >>> very >> >> >> >>> unique about this area. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Thanks a lot for sharing. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Pankaj >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Gurcharan Singh >> >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> > Vijayasankar ji >> >> >> >>> > Thanks for sharing. We first saw this genus in Pachmarhi, but >> >> >> >>> > unfortunately >> >> >> >>> > there no digital cameras then, 30 years back. >> >> >> >>> > -- >> >> >> >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> >> >>> > Retired Associate Professor >> >> >> >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> >> >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> >> >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> >> >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:04 PM, mani nair >> >> >> >>> > <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> Nice photo. looks similar to grass. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM, tanay bose >> >> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> A great contrast Vijaya Ji >> >> >> >>> >>> Tanay >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Vijayasankar >> >> >> >>> >>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> Isoetus species (may be I. coromandelina). >> >> >> >>> >>>> For non-botanists friends: this plant may look like a grass >> >> >> >>> >>>> or >> >> >> >>> >>>> sedge >> >> >> >>> >>>> but >> >> >> >>> >>>> it belongs to a primitive group of plants 'pteridophyte'. >> >> >> >>> >>>> It >> >> >> >>> >>>> propagates >> >> >> >>> >>>> through 'spores' and it doesn't know what flowers & fruits >> >> >> >>> >>>> are! >> >> >> >>> >>>> It >> >> >> >>> >>>> prefers >> >> >> >>> >>>> to grow in marshy habitats. >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> Regards >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. >> >> >> >>> >>>> Post Doctoral Research Associate >> >> >> >>> >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >> >> >> >>> >>>> Thad Cochran Research Center >> >> >> >>> >>>> University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS 38677 >> >> >> >>> >>>> Phone: +1 662 915 1018 >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> -- >> >> >> >>> >>> Tanay Bose >> >> >> >>> >>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >> >> >> >>> >>> Department of Botany. >> >> >> >>> >>> University of British Columbia . >> >> >> >>> >>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >> >> >> >>> >>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >> >> >> >>> >>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >> >> >> >>> >>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) >> >> >> >>> >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >> >>> *********************************************** >> >> >> >>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> >> >> >>> Research Associate >> >> >> >>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >> >> >> >>> Department of Habitat Ecology >> >> >> >>> Wildlife Institute of India >> >> >> >>> Post Box # 18 >> >> >> >>> Dehradun - 248001, India >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tanay Bose >> >> >> >> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >> >> >> >> Department of Botany. >> >> >> >> University of British Columbia . >> >> >> >> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >> >> >> >> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >> >> >> >> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >> >> >> >> 604-822-2019 (Lab) >> >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *********************************************** >> >> >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> >> >> Research Associate >> >> >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >> >> >> Department of Habitat Ecology >> >> >> Wildlife Institute of India >> >> >> Post Box # 18 >> >> >> Dehradun - 248001, India >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *********************************************** >> >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >> >> >> >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> >> Research Associate >> >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >> >> Department of Habitat Ecology >> >> Wildlife Institute of India >> >> Post Box # 18 >> >> Dehradun - 248001, India >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> *********************************************** >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> Research Associate >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >> Department of Habitat Ecology >> Wildlife Institute of India >> Post Box # 18 >> Dehradun - 248001, India > > > > > -- *********************************************** "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
