Hi Prof. Singh, Sought a clarification from Dr. Almeida. His take on this: - Most of the Physalis species found in India are not indigenous but introduced from the Americas. - Linnaeus described Physalis minima and hence a type specimen must exist. - The nomenclature of Indian species is rather ambiguous - specimens initially described [possibly even in Cooke’s Flora] as P. minima had large flowers and would therefore now be labelled P.angulata. - P.minima [with tiny flowers] does exist and has been recorded by Dr. Almeida in a few places including the Borivali N.P., Bombay. My plants have large flowers and would therefore be P.angulata. Regards, Neil Soares.
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:66439] Solnacaea week:Physalis minima To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]> Cc: "Smita Raskar" <[email protected]>, "manudev madhavan" <[email protected]>, "Vijayasankar Raman" <[email protected]>, "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:18 PM Neil ji Perhaps you did not get my point. P. minima L. is no longer a valid name and as such can't be used for any species, in the same way as we can't call any species as Solanum indicum. The plants hitherto known as Physalis minima L. are as such correctly P. angulata L. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29604078 -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, Thank you Prof. Singh for your feedback. Dr. Almeida in his 'Flora of Maharashtra' Vol 3-B lists Physalis angulata & Physalis minima as distinct species. Furthermore, he states that though P.angulata has been recorded from a few places in Maharashtra, it is a native of the West Indies. Will therefore have to stick with my plants being Physalis mininma. Regards, Neil Soares. --- On Wed, 4/6/11, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:66439] Solnacaea week:Physalis minima To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]> Cc: "Smita Raskar" <[email protected]>, "manudev madhavan" <[email protected]>, "Vijayasankar Raman" <[email protected]>, "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 5:46 PM I think the same Physalis angulata, since P. minima L. is no longer an accepted name http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29600210 -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, These are mine. Taken on my property in August 2010. Presume they are Physalis minima. With regards, Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:66439] Solnacaea week:Physalis minima To: "Smita Raskar" <[email protected]> Cc: "manudev madhavan" <[email protected]>, "Vijayasankar Raman" <[email protected]>, "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 6:58 PM Yes looks like P. angulata Here is mine from Delhi -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Smita Raskar <[email protected]> wrote: Yeah Key is useful but then i must be wrong in id of my plant,i think picture i hv posted should be Physalis angulata according to this key..is it...plz help i am confused :( On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Smita ji for useful information. This should really help in understanding our photographs. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Smita Raskar <[email protected]> wrote: http://www.plantsystematics.com/qikan/manage/wenzhang/aps06141.pdf....refer this link it gives details of species Physalis It says (vi) Nicolson et al. (1988) reduced P. minima L. as a synonym of P. angulata L. There is a need to typify Physalis minima L. However, Edmonds (personal communication) opines that the typification of the Linnaean P. minima is complex, with the lectotype (Hort. Cliff. no. 62, Physalis 5) being conspecific to P. angulata. Therefore, she considers it as a synonym of the latter in her forthcoming account of Solanaceae in Flora of Tropical East Africa. Most of the descriptions and plates on which Linnaeus based his species also refer to P. angulata rather than to the small-flowered prostrate plant, usually known as “P. minima” (that we treat here as Physalis lagascae). Conversely, in the Indian taxonomic literature, we are dealing with two distinct elements (Table 1) under the name P. minima: First one is an erect, robust, smooth, tetraploid taxon with bigger flowers (>7 mm across), bluish anthers, and fruiting calyces tinged purple No. 2 RAJU et al.：The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis 241 (P. angulata). The second one is a diffuse to erect, relatively smaller, pubescent, diploid taxon with smaller (<6 mm across) flowers (parviflora or micrantha), yellow anthers, and greenish fruiting calyces (P. lagascae). On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Vijayasankar ji Please help with the key of Indian species of P. minima complex -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, manudev madhavan <[email protected]> wrote: Dear all, Can anybody tell how to differentiate P. minima from P. angulata?? regards r <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Physalis minima found at Sawantwadi, Maharashtra -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.09422379568 -- Manudev K Madhavan Junior Research Fellow Systematic & Floristic Lab, Department of Botany, Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research St. Joseph's College, Devagiri Kozhikode- 673 008 Mob: 9496470738 -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.09422379568 -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.09422379568 -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
