Thanks Neil ji * -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi Prof. Singh, > > Sought a clarification from Dr. Almeida. His take on this: > > > > - Most of the Physalis species found in India are not indigenous > but introduced from the Americas. > > - Linnaeus described Physalis minima and hence a type specimen > must exist. > > - The nomenclature of Indian species is rather ambiguous - > specimens initially described [possibly even in Cooke’s Flora] as P. minima > had large flowers and would therefore now be labelled P.angulata. > > - P.minima [with tiny flowers] does exist and has been recorded by > Dr. Almeida in a few places including the Borivali N.P., Bombay. > > > > My plants have large flowers and would therefore be P.angulata. > > > > Regards, > > Neil Soares. > > --- On *Wed, 4/6/11, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:66439] Solnacaea week:Physalis minima > To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Smita Raskar" <[email protected]>, "manudev madhavan" < > [email protected]>, "Vijayasankar Raman" < > [email protected]>, "indiantreepix" <[email protected] > > > Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:18 PM > > > Neil ji > Perhaps you did not get my point. P. minima L. is no longer a valid name > and as such can't be used for any species, in the same way as we can't call > any species as Solanum indicum. The plants hitherto known as Physalis minima > L. are as such correctly P. angulata L. > > http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29604078 > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29604078> > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Neil Soares > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Hi, > Thank you Prof. Singh for your feedback. > > Dr. Almeida in his 'Flora of Maharashtra' Vol 3-B lists Physalis angulata > & Physalis minima as distinct species. > Furthermore, he states that though P.angulata has been recorded from a few > places in Maharashtra, it is a native of the West Indies. > > Will therefore have to stick with my plants being Physalis mininma. > Regards, > Neil Soares. > > > --- On *Wed, 4/6/11, Gurcharan Singh > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >* wrote: > > > From: Gurcharan Singh > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:66439] Solnacaea week:Physalis minima > To: "Neil Soares" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Cc: "Smita Raskar" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > "manudev madhavan" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > "Vijayasankar Raman" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > "indiantreepix" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 5:46 PM > > > I think the same Physalis angulata, since P. minima L. is no longer an > accepted name > > http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29600210 > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29600210> > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Neil Soares > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Hi, > These are mine. Taken on my property in August 2010. Presume they > are Physalis minima. > With regards, > Neil Soares. > > --- On *Tue, 4/5/11, Gurcharan Singh > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >* wrote: > > > From: Gurcharan Singh > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:66439] Solnacaea week:Physalis minima > To: "Smita Raskar" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Cc: "manudev madhavan" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > "Vijayasankar Raman" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > "indiantreepix" > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 6:58 PM > > > Yes looks like P. angulata > Here is mine from Delhi > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Smita Raskar > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Yeah Key is useful but then i must be wrong in id of my plant,i think > picture i hv posted should be Physalis angulata according to this key..is > it...plz help i am confused :( > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Gurcharan Singh > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Thanks Smita ji for useful information. This should really help in > understanding our photographs. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Smita Raskar > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > http://www.plantsystematics.com/qikan/manage/wenzhang/aps06141.pdf....refer > this link it gives details of species Physalis > It says (vi) Nicolson et al. (1988) reduced P. minima L. as a synonym of P. > angulata L. > There is a need to typify Physalis minima L. However, Edmonds (personal > communication) opines that the typification of the Linnaean P. minima is > complex, with the > lectotype (Hort. Cliff. no. 62, Physalis 5) being conspecific to P. > angulata. Therefore, she > considers it as a synonym of the latter in her forthcoming account of > Solanaceae in Flora of > Tropical East Africa. Most of the descriptions and plates on which Linnaeus > based his species > also refer to P. angulata rather than to the small-flowered prostrate > plant, usually known as > “P. minima” (that we treat here as Physalis lagascae). > Conversely, in the Indian taxonomic literature, we are dealing with two > distinct elements > (Table 1) under the name P. minima: First one is an erect, robust, smooth, > tetraploid taxon > with bigger flowers (>7 mm across), bluish anthers, and fruiting calyces > tinged purple No. 2 RAJU et al.：The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the > species of Physalis 241 > (P. angulata). The second one is a diffuse to erect, relatively smaller, > pubescent, diploid taxon > with smaller (<6 mm across) flowers (parviflora or micrantha), yellow > anthers, and greenish > fruiting calyces (P. lagascae). > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Vijayasankar ji > Please help with the key of Indian species of P. minima complex > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, manudev madhavan < > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Dear all, > > Can anybody tell how to differentiate *P. minima* from *P. angulat*a?? > > regards > > r > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Hello > *Physalis minima* found at Sawantwadi, Maharashtra > -- > Smita raskar > 308 Disha Residency, > Salaiwada,Sawantwadi > Mob.09422379568 > > > > > -- > *Manudev K Madhavan* > Junior Research Fellow > Systematic & Floristic Lab, > Department of Botany, > Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research > St. Joseph's College, Devagiri > Kozhikode- 673 008 > Mob: 9496470738 > > > > > > > > -- > Smita raskar > 308 Disha Residency, > Salaiwada,Sawantwadi > Mob.09422379568 > > > > > > > > -- > Smita raskar > 308 Disha Residency, > Salaiwada,Sawantwadi > Mob.09422379568 > > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > > >
