Oudhia sir, the kheer was not given by baba, it was prepared by the guy himself to distribute and eat himself. I am sure it was a normal kheer. So cheer up. Anyways I am sorry for my comments.
I know if we sit together we can resolve many taxonomic mysteries, there are many in Orchids I am aware of, but I am sure there are issues in other families too. Many of the plants studied by Europeans are mostly herbarium based in recent years hence they lack a thorough study. At the same time many plants described from India shows lack of thorough studies too. Pankaj On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Considering that The Plant List is not always reliable, I have often > suggested on this forum that let us keep our eyes (and options) open. GRIN > is a good Database (though largely USA plants), so is The Plant List > partly, and Sorting Plant names. We follow the one which has been updated > more recently (for example if GRIN has been updated after 2010 and it > carries different conclusion from PLant list, we follow GRIN). Plus if > there is any recent publication, we follow that. I remember myself and > Pankaj ji had exchanges for five-six hours in the night (myself in > California and Pankaj ji in India) and did't leaves before the issue was > resolved, and clinching document was Revision of Indian Ranunculus kindly > sent by Pankaj ji to me, in the same way as original paper by Tabish ji > recently helped us to detect and resolve the folly (rather blunder) in > Flora of Pakistan (both online and hard copy versions) concerning Ipomoea > sindica. > > Let us all devote ourselves to understanding our Flora better, without any > ego issues or ill-will. Our Group would be a much better place and all will > enjoy the interaction. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Sir >> Firstly yes, India has been lagging behind w.r.t. to research and many >> other things. We suffer from Diabetes and then go to a Baba who gives us >> kheer and we eat the kheer thinking it will get rid of our diabetes. >> But, in this context we cant compare ourselves with HK because HK is just >> less than 1000 square kilometers and India is around 3,300,000 sq.kms. But >> yes, then we can compare our advancement in science with China!! There are >> so many rules and regulations made in India by ourselves that we cant do >> proper research. I am a part of the project where we would be revising >> Bulbophyllums of Asia. Now I need 100 species from India, just small leaf >> piece but I cant. There are rules which stops me from doing it. There are >> many species which are common with China and on both sides there are lot of >> mistakes, because in both countries people didnt consult each other for the >> betterment of science. >> If we keep fighting, then we cant reach a solution. I am talking about >> plants not politics!! >> Regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the correction. If you search the net you will find KFBG and >>> Kew just like synonyms. The book titled "The wild orchids of Hong Kong" >>> says every thing. >>> >>> Just thinking why we Indians are not capable of leading the world like >>> they are, having our brains? >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Pankaj Oudhia >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hahaha big sorry >>>> no the id is [email protected] >>>> >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hmm!! So he is from your corporation. >>>>> >>>>> That's why the effort is on to create "Honkongensis" in every orchid. >>>>> Native species and native knowledge can not be patented but by creating >>>>> this "Hongkongensis" it can be like Taxmati in place of our Basmati. >>>>> >>>>> It is good for their global business but very bad for the science of >>>>> Taxonomy. >>>>> >>>>> Come back to India Sir ji. They are using our best brains for naming >>>>> Indian species as "Honkongensis" >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mr Govaerts is a nice person. He always replied to my mails when ever >>>>>> I needed. But it would be better if you select the Family expert for a >>>>>> species. The list of experts are given on following link. >>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/compilersReviewers.do >>>>>> >>>>>> If you write to Indian Liaison Officer then usually they dont reply :P >>>>>> I would request Gurcharan sir to find the email ids of the expert and >>>>>> write to them. Mr. R. Govaerts id is: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well. Just checked the Kew List. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems confused like the Plant List.;( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact, the plant list just copied the content of Kew. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any other source for try? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is better to invite R.Govaerts ji for real discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes sir. But my first concern I laid few months back when Plant >>>>>>>> List came into exsistence. I imagine why there was a need for Plant >>>>>>>> List >>>>>>>> when we already had Kew's Checklist. >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Plant List is quoted in our group so frequently. In this case >>>>>>>>> the statement made by both of us seems correct. If The Plant List is >>>>>>>>> itself >>>>>>>>> confused or in developing stage then I feel that it must not be >>>>>>>>> quoted in >>>>>>>>> scientific discussions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please give your comments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=57084 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This one sir. Irony is many of the scientists at both plant list >>>>>>>>>> and this link are common, but they have different opinion at >>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>> places, mainly because all dont pay attention to all of the taxa. >>>>>>>>>> Its a >>>>>>>>>> huge plant world out there after all, of which more than 50% still >>>>>>>>>> remains >>>>>>>>>> unexplored...... >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your reply. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> May I know the exact references you are quoting so that I can >>>>>>>>>>> forward it to the mentor of the specific page at the Plant List for >>>>>>>>>>> correction. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything on internet (including The Plant List) cant be right >>>>>>>>>>>> sir. >>>>>>>>>>>> There was a huge discussion and some articles dealing with this >>>>>>>>>>>> issue after Dr. H.P.Wood changed the name of Dendrobium aphyllum to >>>>>>>>>>>> Dendrobium cucullatum. But recently there was another article by >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Andre >>>>>>>>>>>> Schuiteman which changed the names back based on relevant >>>>>>>>>>>> discussions. >>>>>>>>>>>> Many still believe that cucullatum, aphyllum, pierardii are >>>>>>>>>>>> same (Checklist of Monocots, Goaverts et al. 2012). So we should >>>>>>>>>>>> wait for >>>>>>>>>>>> further more discussions. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Pankaj Oudhia < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The synonym (With 3 star confidence level) of Dendrobium >>>>>>>>>>>>> cucullatum is *Dendrobium* *pierardii* Roxb. ex >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hook.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-58701> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Another synonym is *Dendrobium* *aphyllum* var. *cucullatum* >>>>>>>>>>>>> (R.Br.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> P.K.Sarkar <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-57085> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But the confidence level is of only one star. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Source: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-57520 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes now it is called Dendrobium aphyllum as before. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>>>>>>> 6251 (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office: >>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Residence: >>>>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: >>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Residence: >>>>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> >>>>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 >>>>>> 6251(mobile). Fax: +852 >>>>>> 2483 7194 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ********************************************************************** >>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >>>> Conservation Officer >>>> >>>> Office: >>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >>>> Residence: >>>> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >>>> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>> [email protected] >>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251(mobile). >>>> Fax: +852 >>>> 2483 7194 >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ********************************************************************** >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >> Conservation Officer >> >> Office: >> Orchid Conservation Section >> Flora Conservation Department >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> Residence: >> 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> email: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251(mobile). >> Fax: +852 >> 2483 7194 >> > > > > -- ********************************************************************** "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. Conservation Officer Office: Orchid Conservation Section Flora Conservation Department Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. Residence: 36C, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. email: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 (mobile). Fax: +852 2483 7194
