Young fruit always looks different from a mature fruit. You should concentrate on shape of corolla: in Solena and your plant corolla lobes are very small and somewhat recurved, in Diplocyclos they are very long (tube very small) and spreading. Also in your specimens I could not detect any forked tendril. I think we better go with Solena only.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > Apologies Gurcharan ji, the word "fruit" got omitted in my response: > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Need clarification regarding whether shape of *Solena amplexicaulis* * > fruit* does vary. > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > My concern is about the fruit in the posted plant - is kind of ellipsoid > with pointed ends, with no signs of ridges; ... in the comparative > pictures, have posted a *Solena amplexicaulis *fruit which in growing > stage is already elongated, shows hint of ridges too. > > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dinesh ji >> Tendrils in focus should be conclusive, as leaves can vary. Tendrils are >> simple in Solena, forked in Diplocyclos >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Yes Dinesh Ji leaf shape varies but not of flowers >>> pls see attached picture of mine shot from Govindghat-Ghangriya Trek >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Need clarification regarding whether shape of *Solena amplexicaulis*does >>>> vary. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes Sir leaves and flowers are different in both and clearly seen in >>>>> Dinesh Ji's Post >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes Solena appears the closest choice. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> Putting pictures for comparison: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Posted plant * >>>>>>> *Solena amplexicaulis* *Diplocyclos palmatus* [image: ¿ >>>>>>> Diplocyclos palmatus >>>>>>> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7786968544%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcV6T4szLEmP648C6I6Y1JuCAKQkg> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Solena >>>>>>> amplexicaulis]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7576117242%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeX3OyA-vcbvZLarpyU-AE0-Pk7HQ> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Diplocyclos >>>>>>> palmatus]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F4171239842%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEze8sOGMvXDmwtot9b6cBFENsILx6Q> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> ¿ Diplocyclos palmatus >>>>>>> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7786958320%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzerYoj_aD5wIHKtQsmA_z6JTW-ILA> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Gometi (Marathi: >>>>>>> गोमेटी)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3731868743%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfSiiqL7Yrf0uyjkIquBFxLlF39CA> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Diplocyclos palmatus >>>>>>> 02]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fchdeff_photos%2F5018129514%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfHQjvEO5frFc8aB7iTNTkSlUhO9Q> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Balkar Singh >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To me it looks like Solena amplexicaulis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps yes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here are ours from Chakrata: both species >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Diplocyclos >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/Diplocyclos$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/2GvMucEhgK0/pIpVRKk45fUJ%5B1-25%5D<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#%21searchin/indiantreepix/Diplocyclos$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/2GvMucEhgK0/pIpVRKk45fUJ%5B1-25%5D> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/Diplocyclos$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/ia3PzKAPr0Y/TRqIbJ-mAc4J%5B1-25%5D<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#%21searchin/indiantreepix/Diplocyclos$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/ia3PzKAPr0Y/TRqIbJ-mAc4J%5B1-25%5D> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Solena >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/Solena$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/tUFL_B3VxFI/Q14jQds4z3UJ%5B1-25%5D<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21searchin/indiantreepix/Solena$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/tUFL_B3VxFI/Q14jQds4z3UJ%5B1-25%5D> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many many thanks Nayan ji for this probable ID. >>>>>>>>>> Will wait for validating comment(s). >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Nayan Singh < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Looks like Diplocyclos palmatus syn Bryonopsis palmatus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Nayan. >>>>>>>>>>> ........................... >>>>>>>>>>> N.S.Dungriyal IFS >>>>>>>>>>> Chief Conservator of Forests (CAMPA) >>>>>>>>>>> Satpura Bhawan >>>>>>>>>>> M.P. Nagar Bhopal >>>>>>>>>>> Madhya Pradesh >>>>>>>>>>> Mo - 09424790074 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 18 August 2012 11:42 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [efloraofindia:124568] DV :: 01 AUG 12 - 0851 :: ¿ >>>>>>>>>>> Solena amplexicaulis ? along Govind Ghat - Ghangaria trail >>>>>>>>>>> ** >>>>>>>>>>> [image: ... Govind Ghat - Ghangaria >>>>>>>>>>> trail]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7795543800%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdy9anJ0CbW9GsAoDhKdyVOSW55GA> >>>>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>>> AUG 12 >>>>>>>>>>> Govind Ghat - Ghangaria trail ... 5800 - 10160 ft >>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, ID please. >>>>>>>>>>> *Habitat*: along trail on mountain slope** *Habit*: climber, >>>>>>>>>>> aspects of flower resembles *Solena amplexicaulis***... however >>>>>>>>>>> the fruit seems different from that observed in Western Ghats.** >>>>>>>>>>> ** >>>>>>>>>>> [image: ... Solena-like >>>>>>>>>>> cucurbit]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7786958320%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzerYoj_aD5wIHKtQsmA_z6JTW-ILA> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: ... Solena-like >>>>>>>>>>> cucurbit]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7786954854%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfVhDgsIJoNtXq82THyVU1xmtDhGg> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>>>> ... Solena-like >>>>>>>>>>> cucurbit]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7786948040%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzezqklkzJrItcl45OtyaSobQ3oFbQ> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>>>> ... Solena-like cucurbit; fruit >>>>>>>>>>> differs]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7786968544%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcV6T4szLEmP648C6I6Y1JuCAKQkg> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>>>> ... Solena-like >>>>>>>>>>> cucurbit]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7786972378%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcLWUInWadySvalj8Jkv9mzmtQ_sA> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh ** -- ** ** ** ** >>>>>>>>>>> **** >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>> 09416262964 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>>> 09416262964 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Dr Balkar Singh >>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>> Haryana-132103 >>> 09416262964 >>> >> >> >> >> >> > --
