Dear Gurcharan ji and Prashant, referencing Keshava Murthy's VoF book, Prashant's ID of *Sibbaldia parviflora* agrees with my plant. As you have observed, it could be a synonym of *Sibbaldia procumbens* as put in Flora of Pakistan. Many thanks to you both for the ID. Regards. Dinesh
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Prashant, I saw your upload at > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/5WZGkGM5IG0/LKL1NxdUy2YJ > To me, when I see them in profile view, most of them have the green sepals > higher than the yellow petals. > Top views of the flowers give an illusion that the yellow petals are > longer. > Will wait for comment(s). > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Prashant Awale <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Dinesh, >> I had also uploaded same plant. The petals are longer than the sepals. >> Regards >> Prashant >> >> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thank you very much Gurcharan ji for digging into these *Sibbaldia*. >>> Attaching cropped pictures showing out-of-focus area. >>> >>> My recollection: >>> Could see 2 plants with flowering stems ascending. >>> 1) about 15 cm max. >>> 2) about 30 - 40 cm >>> The flower about 4 mm; looks lesser than sepals in most of the instances. >>> I do not know about pilose OR appressed pilose petioles. Not sure if it >>> can be made out in these views. >>> >>> >>> [image: Sibbaldia ¿ cuneata / procumbens >>> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7904539998%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcQdEJZwVb_7Hy-bKS9UiWht2g5uA> >>> >>> [image: Sibbaldia ¿ cuneata / procumbens >>> ?]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7904540954%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcdzKX7CP50BVeK667mDwRXFHCCiQ> >>> >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dinesh ji >>>> It would be interesting to resolve this mystery. Flora of British India >>>> records Potentilla sibbalii Hallier.f with following synonyms: >>>> 1. Potentilla sibbaldii Clairv >>>> 2. Potentilla sibbaldia Greiss. >>>> 3. Sibbaldia procumbens L. >>>> 4. Sibbaldia parviflora Willd. >>>> 5. Sibbaldia cuneata Edgew. >>>> 6. Sibbaldia cuneata Kunze >>>> >>>> As it seems these are now considered under two species >>>> >>>> 1. Sibbaldia procumbens L. with synonyms Potentilla sibbaldia >>>> Greiss. , Potentilla sibbaldii Hallier.f., >>>> >>>> 2. Sibbaldia cuneata Hornem ex Kunze >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (Sibbaldia parviflora Willd. unresolved and Sibbaldia cuneata Edgew. >>>> not mentioned (in Fl. China or the Plant List) except as synonym of S. >>>> procumbens in Flora of Pakistan >>>> >>>> Both species are described in Flora of China and differ as under: >>>> >>>> S. procumbens: Petals shorter than sepals; floweringt stems prostrate >>>> or ascending, 4-30 cm tall; petiole pilose; flowers 4-6 mm in diam. >>>> >>>> S. cuneata: Petals equal or longer than sepals; flowering stems erect >>>> or ascending; 5-14 cm tall; petiole appressed pilose; flowers 5–7 mm in >>>> diam. >>>> >>>> Perhaps close up of flower can help resolve. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Dinesh Valke >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Many thanks Gurcharan ji. >>>>> At The Plants List, found these are being treated as separate species: >>>>> *Sibbaldia procumbens* L. and *Sibbaldia cuneata* Hornem. ex Kuntze >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Now correctly known as Sibbaldia procumbens >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you very much Gurcharan ji for the probable ID. >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sibbaldia cuneata I hope >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Valley of >>>>>>>>> Flowers]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7795632618%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfiscXcV1ezkljkoVaSBkd-7VO2FQ> >>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>> AUG 12 >>>>>>>>> Valley of Flowers ... about 9900 ft >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> Dear friends, ID please. >>>>>>>>> *Habitat*: growing on rock >>>>>>>>> *Habit*: small herb, about 15 - 40 cm high; flower about 3 - 4 mm >>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>> P1020382]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7845513686%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdpGpjkETxz4JtXnoqN56vqxSf2LQ> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>> P1020385]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7845508574%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeXZtmhRkH3k26SCu2qXp4p6AXIhg> >>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>> P1020387]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7845503754%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc5YoQUL2QJIMSXBgyMecSMVmFe-w> >>>>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>>>> P1020388]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F7845498980%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcGiMg-KxU63jTRg2dVew-7O9qIeA> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > --
