Dear Nagaraj, Thank you for kindly sharing this information.
Best wishes, Howard > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:02 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Howard ji, > > Older references can be classified into two kinds: > > 1. Descriptions of Bhakti events in narrative literatures such as narrative > portions of Puranas and narrative Sanskrit and other Indian language kavyas > > 2. Shaastric works > > The word Saatvika bhaavas or the words referring to ecstatic features that > are dealt under Saatvika bhaavas in NS and related texts are used in the > description of Bhakti events in narrative texts older than Madhusudana > Saraswati and Rupa Goswami. > > Lyrical texts employed in Bhakti dance earlier than the time of Rupa , both > in Sanskrit and regional languages, used such expressions. > > NS related later shaastric texts and their commentaries use Bhakti related > examples too while dealing with Saatvika Bhaavas. > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 3:40 AM Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Thank you! Very helpful. >> >> I’m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing >> with Rupa’s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing >> various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, >> fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of sāttvika-bhāva >> and sthālyi-bhava? Etc. >> >> I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of >> rasa, and that of ecstatic states. >> >> Any help here is welcome. >> >> Best wishes, >> Howard >> >> > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59 AM, [email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Howard, >> > >> > You write: >> > >> > "Rūpa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, >> > at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who >> > significantly developed and refined rasa-vicāra at least 500 years before >> > Rūpa. " >> > >> > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval >> > rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja >> > representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his >> > theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. >> > >> > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy >> > and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: >> > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ >> > >> > I hope it helps and all the very best, >> > >> > Ithamar >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > Prof. Ithamar Theodor >> > Indian Studies >> > Zefat Academic College >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews >> > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----הודעה מקורית----- >> > מאת: INDOLOGY <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> בשם Howard Resnick via >> > INDOLOGY >> > נשלח: יום א 18 אוגוסט 2024 05:29 >> > אל: Indology List <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > נושא: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy >> > >> > Dear Scholars, >> > >> > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava >> > tradition, especially in works of Rūpa Gosvāmī (1489–1564) such as >> > Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical >> > descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the aṣṭa-sāttvika-bhāvas etc. >> > >> > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vicāra, >> > analysis of primary and secondary ‘rasas’ or mood/flavor of personal >> > relationship, Rūpa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to >> > Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta >> > who significantly developed and refined rasa-vicāra at least 500 years >> > before Rūpa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, Rūpa, with real genius, >> > applied to Kṛṣṇa this already ancient system of rasa analysis and >> > classification. >> > >> > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of >> > ecstatic spiritual states, such as sāttvika-bhāvas and sthāyi bhāvas, is >> > Rūpa again applying to Kṛṣṇa-bhakti an analytic system that already >> > existed for the analysis of non-Vaiṣṇava, or even Vaiṣṇava, literature? Or >> > was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of >> > Rūpa? I ask because I suspect that once again Rūpa may have been applying >> > to Kṛṣṇa-bhakti an analytic system already current. >> > >> > Many thanks for any help with this! >> > >> > Howard >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > INDOLOGY mailing list >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > Dean, IndicA > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > >
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