Dear Lyne, Many thanks for your very kind help. Your list of personal publications is most impressive and valuable.
All the best, Howard > On Aug 19, 2024, at 3:24 AM, Lyne Bansat-Boudon > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Howard, > > I have not investigated Rūpa’s theory. But, what I can say is that, from > the point of view of theNāṭyaśāstra and Abhinavagupta thereon, > sthāyibhāvas and sāttvikabhāvas are by no means "ecstatic states". They > are elements of the mechanics of passions which serves as the foundation of > the rasa theory. > > More, perhaps, in > > my book "Poétique du théâtre indien" (EFEO 1992). > > 2. (2004) Pourquoi le théâtre ? La réponse indienne. Les Quarante > piliers. Paris : Mille et une nuits. 293 p. > > 3. (1992). « Le sentiment contemplé. Remarques sur la poésie dans les > spéculations indiennes ». In :Poétique 92, p. 419-425. > > 4. You can see also, for another category: « Les sāttvikāl̇ankāra.Un > théâtre de la séduction ». In : Journal asiatique 279 (1-2), p. 199-226 > —provided you have the courage to read French! > > As for the "ecstatic states" (what is the sanskrit word in Rūpa?), I would > rather suggest you have a look on an English paper of mine, in which I deal > with "extreme experiences", or "hyperesthesia". There I also deal with the > elements of the rasa theory, p. 84, n. 27). Here is the reference: > (2022). « The Surprise of Spanda. An Aesthetic Approach to a Phenomenology of > Transcendence (Rāmakaṇṭha ad Spandakārikā 2.6 [1.22/22]) ». In : > ‘Verità e bellezza’. Essays in Honour of Raffaele Torella. Sous la dir. de > Francesco Sferra et Vincenzo Vergiani. Napoli : UniorPress, p. 73-101. > If you have difficulty finding these articles, and if you are in any way > interested, let me know, I will manage to send you their pdf. > > > Best wishes, > > Lyne > > > > Lyne Bansat-Boudon > Directeur d'études pour les Religions de l'Inde > Ecole pratique des hautes études, section des sciences religieuses > Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France > > De : INDOLOGY <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> de la part de Howard Resnick > via INDOLOGY <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Envoyé : lundi 19 août 2024 00:09 > À : Isvara Krishna <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc : Indology List <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Thank you! Very helpful. > > I’m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing > with Rupa’s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing > various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, > fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of sāttvika-bhāva > and sthālyi-bhava? Etc. > > I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of > rasa, and that of ecstatic states. > > Any help here is welcome. > > Best wishes, > Howard > > > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59 AM, [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dear Howard, > > > > You write: > > > > "Rūpa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, > > at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who > > significantly developed and refined rasa-vicāra at least 500 years before > > Rūpa. " > > > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa > > schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja > > representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories > > based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and > > Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > > > > Ithamar > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > > Indian Studies > > Zefat Academic College > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----הודעה מקורית----- > > מאת: INDOLOGY <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> בשם Howard Resnick via > > INDOLOGY > > נשלח: יום א 18 אוגוסט 2024 05:29 > > אל: Indology List <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > נושא: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > > > Dear Scholars, > > > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava > > tradition, especially in works of Rūpa Gosvāmī (1489–1564) such as > > Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical > > descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the aṣṭa-sāttvika-bhāvas etc. > > > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vicāra, > > analysis of primary and secondary ‘rasas’ or mood/flavor of personal > > relationship, Rūpa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to > > Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta > > who significantly developed and refined rasa-vicāra at least 500 years > > before Rūpa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, Rūpa, with real genius, > > applied to Kṛṣṇa this already ancient system of rasa analysis and > > classification. > > > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of > > ecstatic spiritual states, such as sāttvika-bhāvas and sthāyi bhāvas, is > > Rūpa again applying to Kṛṣṇa-bhakti an analytic system that already existed > > for the analysis of non-Vaiṣṇava, or even Vaiṣṇava, literature? Or was the > > technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of Rūpa? I > > ask because I suspect that once again Rūpa may have been applying to > > Kṛṣṇa-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > > > Howard > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology
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