Bob Dew says:
> Excerpts from mail: 7-Jul-94 Re: e-mail over AFS ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] (790)
> 
> > What're the advantages of putting the spool
> > into AFS if you're going to use a networked transport layer (kPOP3)
> > anyway? 
> 
> 
> 1) Enhanced scalability and ease of management though server
> replication:

With proper management tools it is actually easier to handle this with
pop servers. Besides, in AFS, you can't really replicate the
read-write volumes, and thats what mail partitions are.

> 2) Automated nightly backup.

I've got automatic nightly backup already, thank you.

> 3) Provision for natural migration to or integration with IMAP.  POP
> servers can concurrently run an IMAP service. Since IMAP keeps mail on
> the server (often in /usr/spool/mail) instead of downloading it to the
> client, users's mail can be backed up, kerberos-protected and accessible
> from any participating server if stored in AFS or DFS.

If you are in a large scale distributed environment, you have a lot
more to back up than just people's mail -- all their work is
important. Once the mail is in their own directory the problem of
backing up mail reduces to the problem of backing all their files up.


> > We use hesiod to resolve the particular pop server for the
> > user
> 
> Hesiod's an elegant solution for certain academic sites, but the overall
> system of POP/IMAP used in concert with AFS/DFS would be much more 
> useful (and palatable) for general consumption if similar functionality
> could be accomplished using standards-based, off-the-shelf software.

I completely disagree. Having worked for a long period in a group that
did nothing but worry about systems management problems for a
worldwide network of several thousand machines, I'll assure you that
MIT's solutions to most of these problems are dismissed as "academic"
only by those who haven't looked closely enough.

I really think that putting mail spools in AFS space is silly. KPop
solves all the problems far better, and as I've noted, with a proper
systems management infrastructure based on a real relational database
(MIT Moira, the moira we built at Lehman brothers, ESM's Mesa, and
others are good examples) its trivial to manage.

Perry

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