Excerpts from internet.info-afs: 8-Jul-94 Re: e-mail out of AFS !
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> But it seems to me that AMS has left such a bad taste in CMU's
> collective mouth that they've gone overboard in the other direction. 

It is important to note that we believe the success of AMS to have been
the reason for our problems.  It is a great mail system which makes very
good use of its underlying infrustructure.  Even in comparison to most
other mail systems today (5 years later), AMS has aged very well and
blows most of them out of the water.  The problem is that ist succeded
and exposed some of that infrustructure's major limitations. 


Excerpts from internet.info-afs: 8-Jul-94 Re: e-mail out of AFS !
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> Yes, this approach depends on having the file system on every client I
> use.  But to me, without the file system, I don't have a computer, I
> just have a fancy terminal.  I don't find it at all interesting to read
> my mail from a machine on which I have no access to my files.  I'd
> rather telnet or X-display to a real computer and use that instead. 

Yes, but you have to solve this problem in a large diverse environment. 
Saying that you would rather use an X Terminal doesn't mean providing X
Application servers for 12000 users just for mail is warrented.  We
estimate that we have over 55 machines dedicated to mail.  23 of those
machines are doing translation and can only handle 500 simulteneous
users from Macs and PCs.  We aren't building a mail system for people
like you, it is for the Macintosh and PC desktop users who make up the
clear majority.  In our environment they do not have filesystem space
right now because we determined the cost of providing translators would
be too high.  Later on they will have space in Netware using their AFS
passwords. 

We still consider AFS to be a very good distributed medium for software
and user files to Unix machines.  In fact we consider it the only
alternative for those functions.  We are building new services which
depend heavily upon AFS for those functions.  They will later depend on
DFS for the same thing.  We are simply no longer producing core services
such as mail and printing which use AFS as an intermediary for actual
service provision. 

 

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