On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:05:46PM -0500, Brett Smith wrote: > Bryce, > > Sorry for the delay on this. In addition to the holidays we have several > financial deadlines hit us around this time of year, and I got pulled > into that more than I’d planned for. > > On DigitalOcean: given that we’re agreed about the issue, the next step > with them would be to have a conversation with their legal department > about some kind of change. Ideally that would be a change to the current > ToS, but between us, we’d be satisfied with an agreement that’s specific > to Conservancy and its member projects. > > Unfortunately, we’ve checked and we don’t seem to have any good contacts > currently at DigitalOcean legal, so we’d have to go through your contact > to talk about this.
DO Sponsorships <[email protected]> I sent them a thank-you with a question last month but only got a robo message in reply. YMMV. > Before we initiate that, I think it makes sense to look at this other > provider’s ToS and see whether we can avoid the issue completely. If > your testing so far hasn’t revealed any issues, can you please point me > at them, and we’ll take a look? I did some testing/research over the weekend and it all went quite well. https://www.cloudscale.ch/en/tos-20151015.pdf Bryce > Best regards, > > > > > On 01/04/2018 02:35 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > Hi Brett, > > > > Just checking in again to see if you've had a chance to look at this. > > > > We've just received another hosting sponsorship offer from a different > > company, which I'm going to test out. Let me know when you'd like to > > take a look at their T&C's too. > > > > Bryce > > > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 02:19:18PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >> Hi Brett, > >> > >> Hope you had a great Christmas. I suspect you're tied up with end of > >> the year activities, but I wanted to followup regarding DigitalOcean, as > >> I'd love to move forward on setting it up soon. Please let me know > >> status when you get a chance. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Bryce > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58:24AM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote: > >>>> Bryce, > >>>> > >>>> We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the > >>>> terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at > >>>> <https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/>. > >>> Wow, thanks for checking into that. Yes, some of this looks like it > >>> could potentially be a problem. It's sleezy when hosting providers seek > >>> ownership over user-supplied content! > >>> > >>>> There we ran into section > >>>> 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, > >>>> perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and > >>>> transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare > >>>> derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such > >>>> User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]." > >>> I notice their policy seems to differentiate between their "Website" and > >>> their "Services". The latter is what would affect Inkscape. > >>> > >>> Section 2.5 asks for grants for both Website and Service. The above > >>> quote appears to be from the portion dealing with User Content uploads > >>> to the Website. There is a similar portion dealing with content > >>> uploaded to the Services, but the wording is a bit different: > >>> > >>> By submitting any User Content to the Services other than on the > >>> Website, you hereby do and shall grant us a worldwide, > >>> non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, > >>> sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, > >>> distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform such > >>> User Content solely for the purpose of providing the Services. For > >>> clarity, the foregoing licenses granted to us and our users does not > >>> affect your other ownership or license rights in your User Content, > >>> including the right to grant additional licenses to your User > >>> Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing. > >>> > >>> Do you think the phrasing "solely for the purpose of providing the > >>> Services", and the clarifying second sentence places adequate > >>> limitations on what they're requiring here? Could the purpose of this > >>> text be to just try and establish that we allow them permission to > >>> retransmit our content on their services? > >>> > >>> Section 2.6 seems to suggest they recognize that open source code will > >>> be hosted on their platform, which I guess is good, but I don't > >>> understand at all what the section's purpose is. CC BY-NC-SA > >>> 4.0 is a license we use and I assume it's not compatible. Does this > >>> section imply they wish to relicense materials as BY-NC-SA? It's not > >>> clear to me what this section applies to exactly. > >>> > >>> I'm glad you're reviewing this -- I always find these license phrasings > >>> to be so confusing. > >>> > >>>> This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and > >>>> the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other > >>>> parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively > >>>> asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean > >>>> for all the User Content anyone uploads. > >>> Yes, agreed, we don't want there to be any question that material > >>> covered under GPLv2+ would be relicensed by them to some other license. > >>> > >>>> It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like > >>>> this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you > >>>> agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies. > >>>> > >>>> Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be > >>>> uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to > >>>> run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your > >>>> plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we > >>>> should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be. > >>> Yes, uploading software (or snippets of software such as patches) is a > >>> primary intended use for this service. The plan would include hosting > >>> of discussion forums, mailing lists, wiki's and other software platforms > >>> under the purpose of furthering developer-to-developer and > >>> user-to-developer collaboration. Thus, we will be dealing with a wealth > >>> of User Content for which clarity of copyright+license provenance is > >>> going to be imperative. We would not wish to use the service if it adds > >>> any uncertainty about the ownership of our code. > >>> > >>> Thanks again for looking into this agreement and spotting the potential > >>> issue! > >>> > >>> Bryce > >>> > >>>> On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >>>>> Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into > >>>>> setting this up yet? > >>>>> > >>>>> Bryce > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >>>>>> Resolved: > >>>>>> --------- > >>>>>> SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their > >>>>>> offer and > >>>>>> proceed with setting up services on their platform. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Votes: > >>>>>> ------ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> | Board Member | 1. | > >>>>>> | -------------------- |:--:| > >>>>>> | Bryce Harrington | a. | > >>>>>> | Josh Andler | | > >>>>>> | Tavmjong Bah | a. | > >>>>>> | Ted Gould | a. | > >>>>>> | Martin Owens | a. | > >>>>>> | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | > >>>>>> | Chris Rogers | a. | > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >>>>>>> Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual > >>>>>>> hosting > >>>>>>> system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add > >>>>>>> DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize > >>>>>>> Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for > >>>>>>> Inkscape. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship > >>>>>>> - [ ] b. No > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Votes: > >>>>>>> ------ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> | Board Member | 1. | > >>>>>>> | -------------------- |:--:| > >>>>>>> | Bryce Harrington | | > >>>>>>> | Josh Andler | | > >>>>>>> | Tavmjong Bah | | > >>>>>>> | Ted Gould | | > >>>>>>> | Martin Owens | | > >>>>>>> | Marc Jeanmougin | | > >>>>>>> | Chris Rogers | | > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Resolved: > >>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Background: > >>>>>>> ----------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web > >>>>>>> hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides > >>>>>>> a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It > >>>>>>> doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be > >>>>>>> able > >>>>>>> to address near term service needs while we continue our search. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information > >>>>>>> so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff > >>>>>>> for us. This vote authorizes them to do so. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [1]: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/36074233/ > >>>>>>> [2]: > >>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01019.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Inkscape-board mailing list > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Brett Smith > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Inkscape-board mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Inkscape-board mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board > > > -- > Brett Smith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
