Hi Brett, Hope you had a great Christmas. I suspect you're tied up with end of the year activities, but I wanted to followup regarding DigitalOcean, as I'd love to move forward on setting it up soon. Please let me know status when you get a chance.
Thanks, Bryce On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58:24AM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:28:05AM -0500, Brett Smith wrote: > > Bryce, > > > > We did get the process started, and step one is always reviewing the > > terms of service before we create an account. Digital Ocean's is at > > <https://www.digitalocean.com/legal/terms/>. > > Wow, thanks for checking into that. Yes, some of this looks like it > could potentially be a problem. It's sleezy when hosting providers seek > ownership over user-supplied content! > > > There we ran into section > > 2.5, which asks us to grant Digital Ocean "a worldwide, non-exclusive, > > perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, sublicensable and > > transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, distribute, prepare > > derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exploit such > > User Content in connection with [DO's services and businesses]." > > I notice their policy seems to differentiate between their "Website" and > their "Services". The latter is what would affect Inkscape. > > Section 2.5 asks for grants for both Website and Service. The above > quote appears to be from the portion dealing with User Content uploads > to the Website. There is a similar portion dealing with content > uploaded to the Services, but the wording is a bit different: > > By submitting any User Content to the Services other than on the > Website, you hereby do and shall grant us a worldwide, > non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid, > sublicensable and transferable license to use, aggregate, reproduce, > distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform such > User Content solely for the purpose of providing the Services. For > clarity, the foregoing licenses granted to us and our users does not > affect your other ownership or license rights in your User Content, > including the right to grant additional licenses to your User > Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing. > > Do you think the phrasing "solely for the purpose of providing the > Services", and the clarifying second sentence places adequate > limitations on what they're requiring here? Could the purpose of this > text be to just try and establish that we allow them permission to > retransmit our content on their services? > > Section 2.6 seems to suggest they recognize that open source code will > be hosted on their platform, which I guess is good, but I don't > understand at all what the section's purpose is. CC BY-NC-SA > 4.0 is a license we use and I assume it's not compatible. Does this > section imply they wish to relicense materials as BY-NC-SA? It's not > clear to me what this section applies to exactly. > > I'm glad you're reviewing this -- I always find these license phrasings > to be so confusing. > > > This has the *potential* to be an issue because we (both Conservancy and > > the Inkscape team) can't really grant this license for work that other > > parties released under most FOSS licenses. This section effectively > > asks for us to grant an extremely permissive license to Digital Ocean > > for all the User Content anyone uploads. > > Yes, agreed, we don't want there to be any question that material > covered under GPLv2+ would be relicensed by them to some other license. > > > It's not uncommon for service providers to have some kind of clause like > > this, but it's usually narrower. For example, AWS' TOS just say you > > agree not to upload anything illegal or against their policies. > > > > Are you planning to upload any software to Digital Ocean? This could be > > uploading software to publish; or a virtual machine image for them to > > run; anything like that. Basically, anything you can tell us about your > > plans to use the service can help us better understand how much we > > should be concerned about this, and what our next steps might be. > > Yes, uploading software (or snippets of software such as patches) is a > primary intended use for this service. The plan would include hosting > of discussion forums, mailing lists, wiki's and other software platforms > under the purpose of furthering developer-to-developer and > user-to-developer collaboration. Thus, we will be dealing with a wealth > of User Content for which clarity of copyright+license provenance is > going to be imperative. We would not wish to use the service if it adds > any uncertainty about the ownership of our code. > > Thanks again for looking into this agreement and spotting the potential > issue! > > Bryce > > > On 12/11/2017 11:41 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > > Hi Brett, just following up to see if you've had a chance to look into > > > setting this up yet? > > > > > > Bryce > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 05:03:31PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > >> Resolved: > > >> --------- > > >> SFC should register with DigitalOcean so we can accept their offer and > > >> proceed with setting up services on their platform. > > >> > > >> > > >> Votes: > > >> ------ > > >> > > >> | Board Member | 1. | > > >> | -------------------- |:--:| > > >> | Bryce Harrington | a. | > > >> | Josh Andler | | > > >> | Tavmjong Bah | a. | > > >> | Ted Gould | a. | > > >> | Martin Owens | a. | > > >> | Marc Jeanmougin | a. | > > >> | Chris Rogers | a. | > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > >>> Your vote is needed to accept hosting sponsorship from DigitalOcean. > > >>> > > >>> 1. Accept DigitalOcean's offer of $500 credit on their virtual hosting > > >>> system for use in provisioning various Inkscape web services. Add > > >>> DigitalOcean as a Bronze level sponsor for 2018. Authorize > > >>> Conservancy to initiate registration with DigitalOcean for Inkscape. > > >>> > > >>> - [ ] a. Yes, accept DigitalOcean's sponsorship > > >>> - [ ] b. No > > >>> > > >>> Votes: > > >>> ------ > > >>> > > >>> | Board Member | 1. | > > >>> | -------------------- |:--:| > > >>> | Bryce Harrington | | > > >>> | Josh Andler | | > > >>> | Tavmjong Bah | | > > >>> | Ted Gould | | > > >>> | Martin Owens | | > > >>> | Marc Jeanmougin | | > > >>> | Chris Rogers | | > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Resolved: > > >>> --------- > > >>> > > >>> Background: > > >>> ----------- > > >>> > > >>> In 2017, the Inkscape Board [solicited sponsorship offers][1] for web > > >>> hosting. We [received an offer][2] from DigitalOcean that provides > > >>> a credit for $500 in service on their virtual hosting platform. It > > >>> doesn't match all the requirements we had called for, but it may be able > > >>> to address near term service needs while we continue our search. > > >>> > > >>> Registration with DigitalOcean requires entry of financial information > > >>> so will need to be performed by the Software Freedom Conservancy staff > > >>> for us. This vote authorizes them to do so. > > >>> > > >>> [1]: https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/36074233/ > > >>> [2]: > > >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01019.html > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Inkscape-board mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board > > > > > > -- > > Brett Smith > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-board mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-board mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-board mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-board
