Hi again,
Sorry, I think I missed the last part of your message, Sylvain. I
get so confused with these inline replies.
>>> Yes, I'd be very happy to help! But what's the plan now?
>>> Since the FLOSS manual is now editable, are we looking to
>>> that, for
>>> the creation of a more step by step (rather than theoretical) open
>>> manual?
>>> Or are we going to use a translation of the French introduction
>>> chapter as a
>>> starting point for a new and open manual?
>>
>> This is what I stated: I could translate the French introduction into
>> English and maybe you could make it a better English-ed book.
>>
>> But actually, reading the book, I don't really find what it brings to
>> the reader… It's just a bit more detailed than the tutorials, but not
>> much. And the style or pedagogy aren't magic.
>>
Since I don't read or understand French, I have no idea, yet, about the
contents or quality of that chapter. Translating a few words here and
there, I have a clue. But not an overall impression yet.
>>
>> I would rather prefer a theoretical manual, as you're saying, something
>> that needs a bit of skills to be read and understood, but quickly
>> provides interesting information.
>>
>> That's that? What would you like most?
>> --
>> Sylvain
While I would prefer a manual which can be helpful to newbies or novices
(because there isn't one, and there already exists a theoretical manual),
the main goal (imho) is to create an open manual which can be maintained by
the community, without waiting months for a single author to update after
upgrades.
If this new manual that we're discussing will be more theoretical, I still
will be happy to help if I can. I will probably be less useful for the
theoretical stuff. (And certainly for not advanced stuff, like how some
extensions work, for example.) I think my strongest skills are in
simplifying things for newbies. But I'll be glad to help in whatever way I
can.
Perhaps I could think about making some sort of SVG
file-interactive-newbie-introduction-document, that could ship with
Inkscape? Maybe I'll write up some kind of proposal and submit to the
mailing list for comments and suggestions? Or possibly wiki proposal,
although I tend to get lost writing in the wiki @@. Or maybe I could write
a newbie start guide for this new manual?? Or for the website??
But anyway, imho, what's important is that everyone who will be on this
initial, starting manual "team" has a clear understanding what the goal is!
And I think we need to get some clarity about that before we start (except
for the translating). Also perhaps we need to discuss logistics, and what
kind of workflow we'll use, and who will have which jobs or
responsibilities, and etc? And most of all, what form will this new manual
take? Will it be a 2nd floss manual? Or will it be...well no, it won't be
in the wiki, since the wiki is being groomed as a developer's resource only
these days. Will it be SVG documents, PDF download, or what? Could it be
on the website??
Also, before that, perhaps we need to put out a mail on devel and user lists
asking for anyone else who might want to volunteer/participate. Although
these messages have been on the Docs list, for everyone to see, perhaps an
invite would be nice, for people who might not be subscribed to the Docs
list. I don't know -- just a thought.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not a super-strict disciplinarian about
organization. But we do need to all be "on the same page" (as they say)
before we start. Right? I mean, we can't just start writing willy-nilly,
randomly, can we? Well, we could, but it's probably not the best approach.
Let me know when you have something translated for me to work on :-)
All best,
brynn
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From: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 8:06 PM
To: "Inkscape Docs" <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>; "Sylvain Chiron"
<chironsylv...@orange.fr>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] FLOSS manual
>> Shouldn't the translated manual be on en.flossmanuals.net?
>
> If we're going to use flossmanuals.net I need to register. Or can the
> translation be shown without needing login?
>
> Maybe we need to start getting organized?
>
> In another topic, on the dev mailing list
> (https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/34995212/)someone is
> giving input about making Inkscape more beginner-friendly. While
> answering
> that, I was wondering if this new manual could be made with Inkscape SVG
> files. That might offer 2 advantages -- a) it would make having an
> internal
> manual more possible (packed with Inkscape, rather than on the internet),
> and b) it would have the possibility of being an interactive manual!
>
> Although I realize Inkscape's Text tool is still not quite up to par, as a
> text editor (doesn't auto-wrap unless flowed text is used - but then have
> to
> convert back to regular text, e.g.).
>
> Just a thought :-)
>
> Thanks,
> brynn
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr>
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 3:19 PM
> To: "Inkscape Docs" <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] FLOSS manual
>
>> Le 08/04/2016 15:14, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Courtneay want help in the translation of the initiation inkscape in
>>> french to translate it into english.
>>> FMfr host this project here :
>>> http://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/_edit/
>>>
>>> join our force.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Elisa
>>
>> Hi Elisa,
>>
>> Shouldn't the translated manual be on en.flossmanuals.net?
>>
>> Please be careful with the translation… Seeing something like ‘Draw
>> since geometric shapes’, I'm a bit afraid. It should rather be ‘Draw
>> using/with/from geometric shapes’ or even just ‘Draw geometric shapes’.
>>
>> Viewing the manual, I see many microtypographic imperfections, and the
>> way things are expressed could easily be improved… Can I touch it? I
>> already started.
>> I also wonder how it could be renamed from ‘Initiation Inkscape’ to
>> ‘Initiation à Inkscape’.
>>
>>
>>> 2016-04-05 16:20 GMT+02:00 Brynn <br...@frii.com
>>> <mailto:br...@frii.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi Sylvain,
>>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>>> Sorry for delay in responding. Because of the title, ("code
>>> style")
>>> I thought the message might be about something that I can't help
>>> with. So I
>>> didn't read it right away and only just now read it.
>>
>> The ‘+’ in the subject meant that I talked about two subjects in a
>> single message. But I should have sent two messages, like others do.
>> It's saved in my brain.
>>
>>> Yes, I'd be very happy to help! But what's the plan now?
>>> Since the FLOSS manual is now editable, are we looking to
>>> that, for
>>> the creation of a more step by step (rather than theoretical) open
>>> manual?
>>> Or are we going to use a translation of the French introduction
>>> chapter as a
>>> starting point for a new and open manual?
>>
>> This is what I stated: I could translate the French introduction into
>> English and maybe you could make it a better English-ed book.
>>
>> But actually, reading the book, I don't really find what it brings to
>> the reader… It's just a bit more detailed than the tutorials, but not
>> much. And the style or pedagogy aren't magic.
>>
>> I would rather prefer a theoretical manual, as you're saying, something
>> that needs a bit of skills to be read and understood, but quickly
>> provides interesting information.
>>
>> That's that? What would you like most?
>> --
>> Sylvain
>>
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