I'm confused -- I missed a step somewhere. Are we no longer talking about translating the French manual on FLOSS Manuals?
Or are you talking about something else entirely? Sorry to be so simple-minded. Thanks, brynn -----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 3:39 AM To: Maren Hachmann Cc: Victor Westmann ; inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon) I also think this is not the same as a manual, which should be quick to browse, quick to grasp, with lots of interlinks, with a file format suitable for version control (well, yes, Scribus is xml, I've been told, so it would be /readable/ - but those diffs are really ugly), with out-of-the-box automated generation of online versions of a manual - as can be done with tools like sphinx/readthedocs, doctype, and other tools Martin and I are thinking gitlab + markdown will suffice for the basis of contribution, and we can worry about scribus and doc publishing later. Also, it would be good if things like the keyboard+mouse reference and other stuff we already have could be included. Probably should use markdown code to identify key shortcuts in plain text. Makes them easier to edit, diff, and provides an easy way to add new ones. Also, crediting people for their work is just something that makes them more willing to contribute (as stated above). CC-By would lose that, after the first iteration, as far as my understanding of the licence goes. We get into the territory of having to edit each and every diagram or screen capture. It's messy. I think a better credit would be to have a contributor page for those who contribute the most. If that's insufficient credit, I think people might be contributing for the wrong reasons. Some of the people involved in flossmanualsfr are also long-time contributors to and developers of Inkscape, so that's the relation. But you see how the licensing gets in the way? We can't use any of it now. People wanted credit more than they wanted to have the contents be reusable. GPL is for software. People try to rewrite for content, but that's not what it's for. Worse, it imposes more restrictions than CC-BY. I think it's best to say something like: "Unless otherwise stated, all content in this book is CC0, Public Domain." Then, those who require attribution can include it in the caption below the graphics. The NC licence is maybe a bit overprotective, but I'm all for crediting and having a manual be available for anyone who needs it. Yes, let's not do NC. The point of this is to get it into as many hands as possible. People want a bit of money to handle printing and distribution, let them. It's less work for the project and more free publicity. -C Maren Am 29.04.2017 um 21:22 schrieb C R: > Also this: http://write.flossmanuals.net/inkscape/ > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:04 PM, C R <caj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways,.... >>> >>> >>> Yes, I understand that. But I thought Victor was talking about a hardback >>> book, like at the link he provided. That kind of book is hard to get >>> published, unless you have some prior agreement with a publisher. At least >>> that's my understanding. >> >> We can self-publish, but we'd have to order a thousand copies, which >> would take some startup funds. I don't think hardback would be >> necessary. >> In fact, I don't imagine printing is necessary. We could render out a >> nice illustration of the book, with "ebook" under it, and people can >> enjoy the aesthetic without downing a bunch of trees to make physical >> copies of the manual. Virtual copies have great things like >> hyperlinks, and text search capabilities. So there are more benefits >> to having a digital copy anyway. >> >>> Somewhere in this thread was some discussion about licensing. If this is to >>> be a hardback book (old fashioned way of publishing) *to me* it makes more >>> sense to carry a copyright. >> >> The only requirement for a published physical book is an isbn number >> (for product catalog, and inventory purposes). The license of the >> book, as I understand it, is left completely open to the authors. We >> would not have this published by a company interested in owning the >> copyright, of course. >> >>> As far as I understand, publishers take a cut >>> of sales. And if it's a public domain content, there wouldn't be many >>> sales. It seems like it would make it even harder to find a publisher. >> >> A publisher isn't necessary for this project, assuming the content is >> what's important. If we want book sales out of this, that's the point >> where it will become an issue. >> >>> I don't know, maybe I'm old and old fashioned. But the FLOSS manual, on the >>> other hand, certainly should be either public domain, or CC-BY-NC-SA might >>> be better. Whatever it needs to have, to allow the community to edit. >> >> All I can guarantee is that my contributions will be public domain. :) >> >>> This is probably a bad idea. But I'm trying to think outside the box. What >>> if I (or other non-French-speaker) took one of the French pages, and sent it >>> through the public google and/or bing translators. I know those are far >>> from perfect. (Sooooo far!) But since I know Inkscape, it seems like it >>> would give me enough of a clue what it's about, to be able to write it >>> properly in English. >> >> Well, translation plus proof-reading is fine I'd think. It's not like >> the subject matter would be alien to you. :) Fact is, you could easily >> re-write from scratch the missing sections in English, then we would >> be able to use it in our own "official" Inkscape manual too. >> >>> Then maybe the translators can proof read it, to make sure something >>> important wasn't missed? Proof reading would seem to be much less >>> time-consuming for them. >>> >>> Would that work?? >>> >>> All best, >>> brynn >> >> >> As I understand it, the Inkscape Project has nothing to do with >> flossmanuals, so perhaps it's beyond the scope of this project. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
