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Today's Topics:
1. Re: rc.news: checking whether we run as the news user
(Noel Butler)
2. Re: rc.news: checking whether we run as the news user
(Russ Allbery)
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:02:33 +1000
From: Noel Butler <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: rc.news: checking whether we run as the news user
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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On 20/10/2014 20:39, Julien ?LIE wrote:
> How sys admins install packages?
> I would expect that they use the packages provided with the
> distribution they are running.
Then your assumption would only be right some of the time, most people I
know don't use distro packages on key daemons, remember distros try to
cater for the majority, so they will not contain every requirement, and
they will contain bloat which introduces more possible points of
failure, and/or reduces security.
Not to mention, not all distros carry things like inn, Slackware dropped
it some years ago, I forget the reasoning, but it was valid, maybe a
huge bug and project seemed DOA at the time, not sure now.
> I am a bit curious about how "most sys admins" install software. As you
> speak about Apache, sendmail, postfix, dovecot, pureftpd, bind, etc.,
> do "most sys admins" install these software from source?
> It is not very efficient as far as time management is concerned...
As above (it also takes about 15 mins at most these days to build
anything, even the kernel ( yes a great deal of sys admins even do this)
but the one exception I find is debian users, they are either too scared
or clueless to build software, or have been bitten by debians pkg
management andhave had many lost sleep hours trying to fix their debpkg
systems that break, and cry like little so'n so's everytime you want to
remove a pkg, it wants to take out half the installed pkgs on the system
with it breaking things. Not to mention distros like debian and redhat
often in new releases, contain ancient version of software. Slackware
and Gentoo are pretty good at being modern and not hacking things to
bits, but even they cant cater for all.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:33:35 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: rc.news: checking whether we run as the news user
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Noel Butler <[email protected]> writes:
> As above (it also takes about 15 mins at most these days to build
> anything, even the kernel ( yes a great deal of sys admins even do this)
> but the one exception I find is debian users, they are either too scared
> or clueless to build software, or have been bitten by debians pkg
> management andhave had many lost sleep hours trying to fix their debpkg
> systems that break, and cry like little so'n so's everytime you want to
> remove a pkg, it wants to take out half the installed pkgs on the system
> with it breaking things.
Given that this sort of comment tends to provoke a variety of reactions,
let me head that off right away: There are lots of lots of places on the
Internet to get into extended discussions about the merits of one
distribution or another. Let's please not make this another one of them.
It's entirely off-topic for this mailing list.
People make their own decisions about whether to build stuff themselves or
not for lots of different reasons, and it's all good. The mailing list is
full of people who build their own versions of INN, so you're certainly
not going to see any disagreement here that building daemons from source
is occasionally a good idea. :)
--
Russ Allbery ([email protected]) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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