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Today's Topics:
1. Re: INN 2.7.1 release candidate (Bo Lindbergh)
2. Re: INN 2.7.1 release candidate (Julien ?LIE)
3. Re: add "Auto-Submitted: auto-generated" to generated EMails?
(Grant Taylor)
4. Re: add "Auto-Submitted: auto-generated" to generated EMails?
(Russ Allbery)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 23:03:54 +0100
From: Bo Lindbergh <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: INN 2.7.1 release candidate
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Quoth Julien ?LIE <[email protected]>:
> Changes from 2.6.5 to 2.7.0
That looks like a copy-and-paste error.
/Bo Lindbergh
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 23:14:00 +0100
From: Julien ?LIE <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: INN 2.7.1 release candidate
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Hi Bo,
>> Changes from 2.6.5 to 2.7.0
>
> That looks like a copy-and-paste error.
Oups. Yes, the title is a copy-and-paste error from the mail of the
previous release candidate.
The contents below that line is the right one, though, corresponding to
the changes from 2.7.0 to 2.7.1.
--
Julien ?LIE
??Nous autres communistes, nous avons une position claire?: nous n'avons
jamais chang?, nous ne changerons jamais et nous sommes pour le
changement.?? (Georges Marchais)
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:56:45 -0600
From: Grant Taylor <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: add "Auto-Submitted: auto-generated" to generated EMails?
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<[email protected]>
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On 3/22/23 12:38 PM, Julien ?LIE wrote:
> Hi Grant,
Hi Julien,
> Is this something we can do at the level of INN?
I don't know. Maybe. I'm looking at a handy sendmail manual page.
> I am under the impression it is a configuration of the MTA, and we
> cannot do much within INN.
I'm wondering about including a small utility that will take messages
from STDIN like the sendmail command does and actually does the (E)SMTP
to the mail server. That would allow leveraging all the ESMTP features
that I'm thinking of presuming the SMTP server supports ESMTP.
> Should we just add a sentence in the description of the mta parameter in
> the inn.conf manual page?
Eh.... I sort of feel like that might be taking th easy way out. If
that's what's decided, then so be it.
> Something like "If you want to monitor the deliverability of mails sent
> by INN programs (notably to moderators, gateways or TOP1000 project),
> you should tweak the configuration of your local MTA, for instance by
> enabling bounce in the notify_classes parameter of Postfix."
It would probably be good to include something akin to "INN benefits
from an MTA that is configured to support <BLA>" type thing.
> Beware that if we say something in the documentation, we will surely
> receive questions about it (how to configure it, etc.).
Yep. I'm okay with citing RFC options and (re)directing people to their
Postmaster for help. Anything above and beyond that is gravy to me.
> I'm not expert on mails, so maybe that's not the right thing to do.? As
> the envelope sender is not set (-f not used in the sendmail command),
> bounces may not work?
There's a balance of how much should be passed to the command line vs
how much should be the newsmaster / postmaster responsibility to
configure on the / their MTA.
> Should we also recommend to add "-f <newsmasteraddress>" at the end of
> the mta line (whose defaults to "/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -oem %s") to
> better monitor the deliverability of mails?
Maybe. Though that's going to require an additional configuration
related to the news server being a trusted user.
> Any other thing?
I think the following additional options are interesting:
- `-N failure` means to only return a DSN on failure, not delay.
- `-F "TNet Newsmaster" means to set the human name of the
notification to "TNet Newsmaster".
- `-opnobodyreturn` means to only return headers in the DSN.
I just tested with the following command:
uname -a | sendmail -opnobodyreturn -oi -oem -N failure -F "TNet
Consulting Newsmaster" gtaylor
N.B. gtaylor is being delivered locally directly to my mailbox on my
email server. Replace as necessary.
> Which domains should have their DNS updated?? It seems that
> moderators.isc.org should list all the configuration, and also possible
> other sites mentioned in the moderators file (fido7.org,
> nl.news-admin.org, etc.).? It's still somewhat centralized.
I was sort of thinking along the lines of building the an incomplete
hierarchy in DNS of the newsgroups that wanted to be moderated with this
method. E.g.
test.alt.newmodinfo.isc.org
That would allow delegating sub-domains to other moderators to manage
the values for the newsgroups.
Maybe that's asking too much infrastructure for something that's not
used much. Especially for something that can be overcome.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 21:55:42 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: add "Auto-Submitted: auto-generated" to generated EMails?
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Grant Taylor <[email protected]> writes:
> I think the following additional options are interesting:
> - `-N failure` means to only return a DSN on failure, not delay.
> - `-F "TNet Newsmaster" means to set the human name of the notification
> to "TNet Newsmaster".
> - `-opnobodyreturn` means to only return headers in the DSN.
Be somewhat careful about using exotic /usr/sbin/sendmail command lines,
since that binary is almost never actual sendmail on modern systems and
the other common MTAs may not support unusual sendmail flags. Postfix
handles all the ones you mention (only `-N failure` would do anything),
but it's common for news servers to run tiny stub MTAs like ssmtp or
nullmailer and I don't know how comprehensive their support for sendmail
flags is.
--
Russ Allbery ([email protected]) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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