Hello all, I came across the Rangeville site when it was first started (from a link on the EMU site which I was watching to see how they would degrade me next). To their credit, when I emailed them about some mis-information on their page they were kind enough to make the corrections and send a courtious reply - unlike the EMU site who made no corrections and had one of their henchmen abuse me.
Later, Wesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Fabb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Tom Stuart'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'insights'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:39 PM > Subject: RE: A note from 'Moving Forward' for Tom Stuart > > > > What disturbs me about this email from Rangeville is thier selective > > reporting. They only include the parts of the resolution passed at the > > Northern Synod which agree with thier position. They do not include the > > other parts of the resolution which say something very different. I > consider > > this to be grossly misleading. > > > > Go to this website to see the whole N Synod resolution. > > > > http://www.ns.uca.org.au/Synod/Synod_Resolutions/Syn_Res_One.htm > > > > Bev > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:11 PM > > To: 'insights' > > Subject: FW: A note from 'Moving Forward' for Tom Stuart > > > > > > Have others received this? It is interesting that they are quoting the > NRC > > and Pilgrim Presbytery. It is worth noting that while the NRC has made a > > statement they seem to be making a very subtle distinction (too subtle for > > non-indigenous people it appears) between making their statement and > > actually leaving the Uniting Church. But of course there will be plenty > of > > non-indigenous people who will, as we like to, use indigenous people as > our > > canon fodder. > > > > It should also be noted that the Pilgrim Presbytery made its decision by > > formal vote. > > > > It is amazing me the energy that is going into this. What a savvy website > > they have but look what it is committed to! Sigh! > > > > Tom > > > > > > 14th October 2003 > > > > Dear Tom > > > > How aware are you of the massive changes that are occurring in the Uniting > > Church? > > > > In your deliberations have you and your church council benefited from the > > 50 plus articles and reports available at http://www.rangeville.com/84 ? > > > > How aware are you of the creation of the new alliance formed at the recent > > Sydney Summit and the impact this alliance is already having on the > > Resolution 84 debate? > > > > Do you know how other denominations are handling the issues relating to > > homosexuals and the church? > > > > Are you benefiting from the informative weekly e-newsletter "Moving > > Forward"? > > > > Hundreds of Uniting Church Members rely on "Moving Forward" each week > > to keep them up-to-date on many important developments across the nation. > > > > Visit the Web Site http://www.rangeville.com/84/ today and see for > yourself > > how helpful this recourse can be to you. > > > > > > > > Northern Regional Council statement > > ----------------------------------- > > > > The following statement is included due to its importance. > > > > Statement of the Northern Regional Council Uniting Aboriginal & Islander > and > > Christian Congress > > > > Preamble > > -------- > > > > We read and understand from Genesis chapter one verses 26 & 27 that man > was > > made in the image of God, in the likeness of God and that "male and female > > He created them". He created them to "be fruitful and increase in number". > > Also from chapter 2 verses 21 to 24 we understand woman was formed from > man > > with then intention that man and woman be united and "they will become one > > flesh". > > > > God has also revealed Himself to the indigenous peoples of this land > through > > the creation beings. We understand from Djan'kawu, Barama and Wagilag and > > the stories of creation that God brought forth from the earth bone/ > bundurr > > which is sacred and blood/wukundi which is life. Accompanying these was > > madayin/law. By God's breath of Spirit was life given to bundurr. This is > > the sacredness of life and the law which accompanies it, is to ensure > peace, > > tranquility - a harmony with all of God's creation - magayamirr dhukarr. > > > > We are to be djungunymirr, to stop and think of the law and system, of > life > > and it's sacredness before acting. Leviticus 18 has much to say which > > mirrors our understanding of God's life giving way to live. > > > > At this time the ministers and leaders of NRCC are boyu gora i.e. > ashamed - > > what is a possibility in the UCA is against everything we believe and are > as > > a people. This is such a threat to us, it's like bringing something which > > will destroy us as a people. We are ashamed to be known as members and > > ministers of the Uniting Church. > > > > Our resolution > > -------------- > > > > We the members of the NRCC can not accept the recognition of persons in > same > > sex relationship within leadership of the Uniting Church. > > > > We are not comfortable being in a church which accepts as a valid sexual > > ethic 'right relationships' of the same sex. > > > > If the Uniting Church continues to be open to persons who are in a same > sex > > relationship being accepted into leadership, then there is no place for > the > > indigenous members of the Northern Synod in the Uniting Church. We see > same > > sex relationships as being against the very sacredness and holiness of the > > life and law God has given us as a people. > > > > Northern Regional Council UAICC 27th September 2003 > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > Text of resolution passed by formal majority: > > > > The Pilgrim Presbytery of Northern Australia arrims that > > * God loves all people; > > * Christ died for all people; > > * God calls all people to be part of his Kingdom; > > * We humbly acknowledge our sinfulness, our brokenness > > * and our continual need for God's forgiveness. > > * So we commit ourselves to love all people, > > * accept all people, and invite them to be part of God's family in the > > church. > > > > In the context of (the statement above) the Pilgrim Presbytery of Northern > > Australia recognises that God intends sexual relationship should only > occur > > within a loving, faithful marriage between a man and a woman. > > > > Pilgrim Presbytery of Northern Australia 27 September 2003 > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is a once-only email. > > Please accept our apology if this mail has come to you in error. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message > body > > 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) > > See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCLAIMER: The information in this message and any attachments is > > confidential and may be legally privileged. 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