Hey all

Great topic, questions and thoughts!  Thanks all
I just think one of Rob's points is worth expanding on a little he wrote:

# I reckon they 'got' bits of it and stuffed up other bits

when you think about it, the bits that are going to bet the most attention
are the bits they didn't get.  There's less of a story when everyone agrees
with Jesus.  this applies to both biblical times and now.  The bits that are
going to interest us to study are the bits we don't understand or disagree
with (find difficult).  The hard bits are probably a small(er) percentage of
his teaching that are outweighed in people's minds by the more obvious
truths.  Also think about our wider society today, I reckon most people
would agree with most of what Jesus taught, this just doesn't make him the
son of God to them.  Where as for others the 'easy' parts of his teaching
are significant enough to warrant giving him divine authority.

James


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From: "Tom Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:08
Subject: Dumb Question


Yes Sue, that is another angle.  I was referring to the people who struggle
with Jesus message.  You rightly point to the sacrifice that has to be made
when we follow Jesus (though I note, from your email, that others make far
more a sacrifice than me).

I was aware of the quote (though I was thinking of the Mark version that we
had read not too many weeks back).  I guess it didn't complete the answer
for me ... that is, how did they see that Jesus was offering eternal life in
his words.

I had another helpful reply which was about thinking the answer from others
perspectives ... say from blind Bartimaeus' perspective.  That is, it is not
hard to see what he followed Jesus.  We can see why the rich man DIDN'T
follow Jesus.  So maybe I am looking from the perspective of the rich man.

The gospel is always (as I have heard quoted) good news for some and bad
news for others.

Thanks

Tom


>So here is my dumb question:  If no one understood Jesus, and when they did
>they realised they could not live the sort of life Jesus demanded, why did
>anyone keep following him?

>Seriously, why did they keep following him?

John 6

67"You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.
68Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the
words of eternal life. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One
of God."

A timely question, given that this is the week of 'International Day
of Prayer for the Persecuted Church' [organised by World Evangelical
Alliance et al].

200 million Christians worldwide currently face persecution. 400
million face serious discrimination and restrictions.

Why are Christians prepared to endure imprisonment, torture and death?
Why would a woman flee her homeland, leaving husband and son behind,
rather than renounce her faith? etc etc etc

Sue









Sue Bolton
Sydney, Australia

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