Hi Joe,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Touch [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:12 AM
> To: Templin, Fred L; Ronald Bonica; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/24/2015 9:35 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> > Hi Joe,
> ...
> >> We've been around the block on "let's describe what SHOULD be, but isn't
> >> deployed". While I agree that's important, that is not the function of
> >> this document.
> >
> > There are two different intertwined issues that need to be teased apart.
> >
> > First issue is that this document and RFC2473 are in the same boat in terms
> > of Fragmentation and MTU and the former should therefore cite the latter.
> 
> I do agree on this point.
> 
> > Or, if the former has more to say (e.g., sending PTB with a size less than
> > 1280) then it should also update the latter.
> 
> That doesn't follow. This doc is about IPv6; it can surely augment the
> basic rules in another PS that describes an IPv4 mechanism without
> "UPDATING" that doc (i.e., it need not apply to IPv4).

RFC2473 is about generic packet tunneling over IPv6 (not IPv4).

> > Second issue is that both documents are susceptible to black holes if
> > PTB messages are lost.
> 
> That may be good to point out, but it does not argue for changing what's
> in this doc. We have many protocols that are either incomplete or have
> land mines built-in; they are widely deployed and there's nothing wrong
> with documenting *what is deployed*.

This document is going for proposed standard so, as Ron inferred, they are
trying to document "what is and what will forever be".

> When we do document what is deployed, we need to avoid addressing how to
> fix those issues, though.

If the document is suggesting a long-term solution (which it seems to be,
according to Ron), then it needs to address how to fix the issues.

Thanks - Fred
[email protected]

> Joe

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