Regards
   Brian Carpenter
   http://orcid.org/0000-0001-7924-6182



On 27/03/2015 08:49, Erik Nordmark wrote:
> 
> Gorry,
> 
> As I said at the mike, most of the UDP usage guidelines document applies 
> equally to applications and tunnels that use IP.
> The only part that clearly doesn't apply is the port number aspect.
> 
> I don't want to create the impression that applications or tunneling 
> approaches can dealing with this issues by running over IP
> instead of running over UDP.
> 
> I wonder whether it would make sense to add a section saying that the 
> guidelines applies to using other datagram protocols (that
> do not have their own congestion control mechanism i.e. exclude DCCP).
> 
> Alternatively it might make sense to introduce a separate IP usage guidelines 
> document in intarea which says in essence
> "everything but section 5.1 in draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc5405bis applies to 
> applications or tunnels that use IP". But that sounds a
> lot more heavy weight.

Especially since it would contain a very interesting section on firewalls and 
NATs.

    Brian

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