I am not ignoring them; I’m claiming that they all have the same inherent 
deployment and implementation limitations.

Just because operators/vendors “want” to do otherwise does not make it possible.

Joe

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Ole Troan <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> But only if you continue to ignore that there are other IPv4 sharing 
> mechanisms than NAT. 
> 
> Ole
> 
>> On 1 Aug 2018, at 16:11, Joe Touch <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> We all understand that many current NAT devices and their deployments are 
>> not compatible with IP fragmentation (v4 or v6).
>> 
>> That leaves us with two options:
>>   1. change IP, but that leaves us with problems for which we have no 
>> solution (encrypted payloads, other DPI devices that look further in, etc.)
>>   2. change NATs and how they’re deployed (to require reassembly or its 
>> equivalent before processing, to not be deployed except where they can act 
>> as the host they proxy for)
>> 
>> Both cost money and will have an impact.
>> 
>> #2 involves changing less devices AND has the benefit that we know it will 
>> work.
>> 
>> I see no good reason to continue to try #1 in the meantime.
>> 
>> Joe
> 

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