On 12 dec 2007, at 19:00, James Kempf wrote:

I also don't buy the argument: "When the RIRs stop giving out IPv4 addresses in 2 years, then everybody will *finally* start to deploy IPv6". What will happen is that someone will set up a Web site where globally routable IPv4 addresses are auctioned.

So when I buy a block of four IPv4 addresses, what exactly can I do with those?

The price of a globally routable IPv4 address will go from zero to market driven. In other words, a market will develop in globally routable IPv4 addresses. If and when the incremental cost of deploying an IPv6 address exceeds the market price of a globally routable IPv4 address by a sufficient amount (maybe 5x, maybe 10x, whatever amount matches the disutility to the service provider of having to deploy IPv6), then IPv6 may get deployed.

Please note that ARIN explicitly says that trading in IPv4 space isn't allowed. Although of course you can easily _rent_ address space, and the people providing you with that address space will throw in some connectivity to the internet with that for good measure.

The problem with the IPv6 transition isn't the cost side: starting from zero, it's probably cheaper already to deploy IPv6 than IPv4, and if that isn't the case today, it will be soon. The problematic part is the benefits side of the equation: with IPv4 you can talk to everyone connected to the internet, with IPv6 you can't talk to a statistically significant portion of the people connected to the internet.

Hopefully we can still address this omission by making available a better version of NAT-PT before the lack of new IPv4 addresses starts becoming a problem.

But even without that, what will happen after there is no longer enough free IPv4 space left for the RIRs to grant all requests that are in accordance with their policies, will be something like the following:

First of all, there is a large distribution of allocation sizes. Some large ISPs now get blocks of a million or more IPv4 addresses, while the minimum size is in the 256 - 1024 range. Even when there are no longer any blocks of a million, there will still be a lot of smaller blocks and so far, something in the order of 10 million addresses is returned to the RIRs each year. So the large ISPs will hit a wall, but the small content guys will probably be fine for at least another year or possibly many years.

Apparently it's hard to free up legacy IPv4 space, because this year we saw the return of a class A block for the first time in many years. So it's probably a mistake to assume that a little money will magically make all legacy IPv4 space available, although a lot of money might and a medium-sized amount of money will almost certainly be able to free up part of this space. The question is whether it will be possible to trade this address space. Remember that you can't use addresses without exposing that use.

So you're a large ISP and you find yourself unable to get the IPv4 address space that you need to connect another million customers. You can probably scrape that address space together if you invest enough time and money--the first time. But what about a year later, and the year after that? I'd say that most ISPs in that situation will prefer to invest in technology that allows them to continue to do business without needing to obtain new IPv4 addresses by putting multiple customers behind a single IPv4 address.

The interesting part here is that there are three ways to do this:

1. IPv4 NAT
2. Dual stack IPv4 NAT + IPv6
3. IPv6 with some form of NAT-PT

Obviously, 2. is more expensive than 1., so unless there is something pushing ISPs to do 2., they'll be doing 1. unless 3. is more attractive than 1. However, 1. pretty much means the end of peer-to- peer applications unless consumers get access to NAT traversal technology that can work through four NAT devices (source CPE, source ISP, dest ISP, dest CPE). ISPs have a love-hate relationship with p2p: on the one hand, Skype means they can sell fewer voice minutes (if they're also in that business) and BitTorrent clogs their networks, but on the other hand, these services sell more and bigger connections. It will be interesting to see whether the love or hate part wins out.

For IPv6 to be widely deployed based on market forces, the economic advantage to the service provider must be sufficiently attractive to overcome the large sunk cost of the current IPv4 network. IPv6 deployment is a good example of how large sunk costs in infrastructure essentially throttle the deployment of a new technology, so that it becomes cheaper to continue developing the old technology.

You mean like DSL and cable internet access rather than new fiber infrastructures?

Nonmarket forces, such as government mandates, are a different matter. They could possibly force deployment (and similarly and more importantly for nonpetrolum powered transport).

If a technology isn't good enough to win the market without help from governments, do we really want it? There is no evidence that government technology selection is better than market technology selection.


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