We commonly use /32 subnets on routers when we have multiple (redundant)
paths to the equipment and therefore need to know the difference between an
interface down event and a device down event.

While PAT and NAT addressing uses a single IP address, we commonly bind it
to the router's Ethernet interface with a /30. 

RFC 3021 is not currently a 'Standard,' but rather a 'Proposed Standard' and
as I understand it, the change to a Standard will occur when and if it is
widely adopted. Right now it's a toss up. On the other hand, use of /32 is a
Standard.

Having read RFC 3021, I can see why some might want to use it. Though some
of use might feel it's the camel's nose under the tent, it seems to have
some traction. 

We use /30's on our point to point connections. To be honest we have more
useable IP in reserve now than we did five years ago as company after
company as returned large IP assignments to use as they have installed
firewall systems. In theory ubiquitous use of firewall NAT/PAT translations
should release sufficient IP space for a good long time. 

It's really a matter of economics for those who really do need more address
space and who's RIR annual fee will increase by thousands of dollars a year
if they can't maximize their existing IP space and must seek a larger
assignment.

We use subnet-zero /30 assignments on routers and have done so for many
years. IM has no problem with this.

Mike Lieberman

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard E. Brown
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IM-Talk] /31 network masks

Folks:

Thanks for the spirited discussion of how you use various kinds of subnets.
It's
helpful to hear all this so that InterMapper can "do the right thing" for
our
customers. 

In pursuit of this goal, I'd like to expand the discussion so that we can
understand all the possibilities. 

1)      /31 subnets. It seems as if there are proponents of both sides:
people who
never intend to deploy a /31 subnet, (and want a facility to warn them if
they've done so); and people who regularly use them on point-to-point links
as
described in RFC 3021. 

2)      What about /32 subnets? Is anyone using them?  (see the links below
that
discuss how they're used...)

3)      Are there other unusual subnets/related network configurations that
we should
take into account?

My question to the group:

What should/could *InterMapper* do when presented with equipment that uses
any
of these configurations? I've googled around and come up with a few
citations on
the subject. See the links at the bottom of this message. 

Many thanks!

Rich Brown                    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dartware, LLC                 http://www.dartware.com
10 Buck Road, PO Box 130      Telephone: 603-643-9600
Hanover, NH 03755-0130 USA    Fax: 603-643-2289

--------- Sources of info -----------

/31 subnets:

RFC 3021 (31-bit prefixes): http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3021.html

Cisco's "Using 31-bit prefixes..." note:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122newft/122
t/12
2t2/ft31addr.htm

/32 subnets: 

Subnet Zero and All-ones Subnet:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/105/40.html

Stanford's Experience:
http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/studevelop/projects/iprequest/netwo
rk_c
onfiguration.html
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