>At 00:20 25/06/2003, Marcus Börger wrote:
>>That discussion is mostly non public and will not become public until
we can
>>find a consensus/solution togeter with MySQL on LinuxTag during july.
>
>That implies that this discussion exists;  It doesn't;  We're not 
>discussing the addition of PostgreSQL as a bundle in PHP as an
alternative 
>to MySQL.
>
>Zeev

The discussion that doesn't exist.. Is it the one you refer to in "I
suggest
we don't open this discussion again.  The archives are full of past
discussions."
...or is it the one that is taking place in private?

As a development house that relies on PHP for it's living and also
relies on MySQL
as a default database (through supplying standard toolsets with
flatfile/MySQL options
for storage) You could say I have a vested interest in the possible
future db usage
on PHP. I agree that SQLite is a good idea, however I also see the need
for standard, 
bundled db client code, after all the MySQL inclusion has had an
enormous impact on hosting
and hence the direction of mine and many other PHP oriented industries.

The questions that are floating round my head

1) Will MySQL be included again - I presume this will probably be so,
dependant on MySQL AB.

2) Will any consideration of including a non-commercial db client as
default will EVER be considered
   regardless of circumstances.

3) If it would be considered, how much more favourable the circumstances
would have to 
   be for the inclusion to be seriously considered.

4) Should MySQL not be included again and no discussion of alternate
DB's being allowed,
   am I right in presuming PHP would have no bundled DB client.

Finally, this would be all made a lot easier if the libraries could be
included at runtime from a local directory. From what I understand this
should be possible with PECL. If all (most, some, importartant) modules
could be included by dropping them into a ftp folder and including them
in your code, none of these conversations would be relevant. So...

5) can we, or will we be able, to do this?

Tim





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