On 23-02-2024 16:58, Larry Garfield wrote:
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024, at 8:33 AM, Stephen Reay wrote:
On 23 Feb 2024, at 06:56, Larry Garfield<la...@garfieldtech.com> wrote:
Hi Larry,
It's good to see this idea still progressing.
I have to agree with the other comment(s) that the implicit
`$field`/`$value` variables seem odd to me. I understand the desire for
brevity and the potential future scope of reused hooks, but this
concept seems to fly in the face of many years of PHP reducing "magic"
like this.
The "magic" that PHP has been removing is mostly weird and illogical type casting. As
noted, neither of these variables are any more "magic" than $this.
However, since it seems no one likes $field, we have removed it from the RFC. Of
note, to respond to your comment further down, $this->{__PROPERTY__} will not
work. The virtual-property detection looks for the AST representation of
$this->propName, and only that. Dynamic versions that turn into that at runtime
cannot work, as it needs to be known at compile time.
For $value, however, we feel strongly that having the default there is a
necessary part of the ergonomic picture. In particular, given your comments
here:
To give one answer to your question about ambiguity if the `$value`
parameter is required - I don't believe this is actually ambiguous, in
the context of PHP:
- method parameters in child classes don't implicitly 'inherit' the
parent method parameter's type if they don't define one (they widen to
mixed);
- method return types have no implicit inheritance, they must declare a
compatible return type;
- typed class properties don't implicitly inherit the parent type when
the type left off a child property - they must declare the same type.
AFAIK there is no existing behaviour in PHP where omitting a type would
mean "the type is implicitly inherited from X", it either means the
same as mixed, or it's an error.
That to me suggests that IF a custom variable name is provided, we should
require also specifying the type. In which case, in the 95% case, if we
require the full argument signature then the 95% case would need to
double-specify the type, which is a hard-no from an ergonomic standpoint.
Especially combined with the suggestion yesterday to allow return-to-set in the
short-set version, that would mean comparing this:
public string $phone {
set(string $phone) => $this->phone = $this->sanitizePhone($phone);
}
To this:
public string $phone {
set => $this->sanitizePhone($value);
}
And to me, there's absolutely no contest. The latter has about 1/3 as many
places for me to make a typo repeating the same information over again. Now
imagine comparing the above in a property that's used with constructor
promotion.
public function __construct(
public string $phone { set(string $phone) => $this->phone =
$this->sanitizePhone($phone); }
public string $phone { set => $this->sanitizePhone($value); }
) {}
Again, it's absolutely no contest for me. I would detest writing the longer
version every time.
If PHP has been moving away from weird and inexplicable magic, it's also been
moving away from needless boilerplate. (Constructor promotion being the best
example, but not the only; types themselves are a factor here, as are arrow
functions.) As the whole point of this RFC is to make writing common code
easier, requiring redundant boilerplate for it to work is actively
counter-productive.
So what I'd suggest instead is "specify the full signature if you want a custom name OR wider
type; or omit the param list entirely to get a same-type $value variable, which 99% of the time is
all you need." We get that in return for documenting "$value is the default", which
for someone who has already figured out $this, should be a very low effort to learn.
Also, a small nitpick: The link to your attributeutils repo in the
examples page, is broken, and it would be nice to see a few examples
showing the explicit version of the hooks.
Link fixed, thanks. What do you mean explicit version of the hooks?
--Larry Garfield
Hi Larry,
Great to see you pick up on this proposal again. Rather than "just use
$this->propName directly", you might want to consider yield to commit
the property value, as a solution to "to assign and confirm the property
write while still allowing code to run after it". But then return would
be also be a logical consequence.
public string$propName {
set($value) {
yield $value;
$this->doSomething();
yield $value;
return $this->doSomethingElse(); // final commit, not required
}
}
If I read your remarks on why not using return I do not get why this
proposal wants to deviate from a normal function syntax.
function test(string $name) {
return [$first, $last] = explode(' ', $name);
}
var_dump(test("Larry Garfield")); // returns ["Larry", "Garfield"]
That's how it always has been, no? So in your example, short code
abbreviated form would not work. One has to write a block.
public string$fullName {
set=> [$this->first, $this->last] = explode <http://www.php.net/explode>(' ', \ucfirst <http://www.php.net/ucfirst>($value)); // error, $fullName is a string, returning array
}
public string$fullName {
set{
[$this->first, $this->last] = explode <http://www.php.net/explode>('
', \ucfirst <http://www.php.net/ucfirst>($value)); // no error, not returning
}
}
Hope this RFC will develop into something that will pass. Good luck!
Regards,
Frederik
