On 6/1/26 08:27, Tim Düsterhus wrote:
Hi
Am 2026-05-25 18:50, schrieb Derick Rethans:
I voted no on this. Not because of the policies themselves, but because
"hands-off" and "hands-on" are phrases from a school yard — and
suggestions to come up with better names were ignored.
I don't think this is an accurate representation of the discussion. The
concerns raised were with regard to the policy, not the naming of the
roles. I also disagree with the notion that suggestions were “ignored”.
I have replied to every discussion (sub-)thread.
At least 4 messages raised concerns about the naming of the roles:
1. "I'm not sure I like the notion or language of 'hands-off' vs.
'hands-on' release managers." [1]
2. "I disagree with designating whether anyone is 'hands-on' or
'hands-off.'" [1]
3. "I still dislike the distinction of 'hands-on' and 'hands-off' as
descriptors for these roles and disagree with their use in defining
these roles." [2]
4. "If we can come up with better terminology around the roles [...]
then I'll probably change my vote to a 'yes.'" [2]
5. "I've been thinking more about the terminology and have come up with
a concrete suggestion." [3]
6. "I agree with Ben, I would prefer 'Veteran Release Manager' /
'Co-release Manager' over 'hands on' / 'hands off'. The 'hands off'
sounds negative to me." [4]
Cheers,
Ben
[1]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130472
[2]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130756
[3]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130757
[4]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130763
