Speaking generally, consensus is a dangerous and impossible standard. Few things can cripple progress like waiting for consensus. Voting may be one good way to move things forward without deadlocking forever. I agree though that without clear rules for how the process should work, voting is also chaotic. (Who can call for a vote? How? When is it final? Who can vote? How do they vote? How much is each vote worth? Is a simple majority or super majority needed?)
John Crenshaw Priacta, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Philip Olson [mailto:phi...@roshambo.org] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 9:30 AM To: Pierre Joye Cc: Stas Malyshev; Derick Rethans; PHP Internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward) On Jun 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Stas Malyshev <smalys...@sugarcrm.com> wrote: > >> [VOTE] is a good idea, let's make it [VOTE]. >> >>> There is no plugin used for it yet, and that's my problem with it. >> >> Well, votes aren't announced yet either :) I'll try to get it set up ASAP >> and see how it works, before announcing the vote. It looks good in >> description at least. > > Please keep them in the wiki as we planed to do. THere are plugins and > it is very easy to manage, allows per section voting etc. I'm hopeful people will continue to understand the RFC definition: - RFC: Request For Comments And while doing so, not revert to a vote (RFV?) simply because discussing a topic can get messy. Voting has clear winners and losers with potential loss for improvements. That and you must then worry about who can and cannot vote (i.e., non-inclusive community). It's rare that we've required a formal vote, so I fear we will now implement voting at inappropriate times rather than allow a consensus to be reached. Also, people should be given a reasonable opportunity to offer an alternative RFC. Regards, Philip -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
